Yes, as long as we are clear on one thing: that is not all it does.
Camilla Send a noteboard - 07/06/2010 08:29:59 PM
I don't want to do the "what is satire" thing, but I can't help it.
Going by a definition of satire which defines it as pretty much parody, but directed at society rather than another text; and a definition of parody which does not have as a defining factor simple ridicule of the object … maybe. He does the opposite of what satire usually is thought of as doing, though. There is less ridiculing and more goddamned scary when it comes to the Clockwork Hand, although I suppose it works like satire in that it enlarges and focuses on one tendency lifted out of how we normally see it.
And I think he has put his finger right where it ought to be. He has lifted the same problematic nature out of the evil corporation, the bad part of the military, the evils of bureaucracy, and shown how it is the same problem. That was a stroke of genius.
There are more of course also parts of the narrative which functions as more normal satire (the definition which includes ridicule of the object): The world bank is shown in its most absurd form in the case of Addeh Katir. As are international relations in general, I suppose. The build-up and the war as well. But I get the feeling he is continuously puncturing it with seriousness in a way which makes you stop and go "oh, shit, it's real". That might just be me.
But yes, I feel it should be stressed that this book is not simply satire. It has a strong strain of satire in its architecture (did I just mix my metaphors?), but it is not limited to that.
Going by a definition of satire which defines it as pretty much parody, but directed at society rather than another text; and a definition of parody which does not have as a defining factor simple ridicule of the object … maybe. He does the opposite of what satire usually is thought of as doing, though. There is less ridiculing and more goddamned scary when it comes to the Clockwork Hand, although I suppose it works like satire in that it enlarges and focuses on one tendency lifted out of how we normally see it.
And I think he has put his finger right where it ought to be. He has lifted the same problematic nature out of the evil corporation, the bad part of the military, the evils of bureaucracy, and shown how it is the same problem. That was a stroke of genius.
There are more of course also parts of the narrative which functions as more normal satire (the definition which includes ridicule of the object): The world bank is shown in its most absurd form in the case of Addeh Katir. As are international relations in general, I suppose. The build-up and the war as well. But I get the feeling he is continuously puncturing it with seriousness in a way which makes you stop and go "oh, shit, it's real". That might just be me.
But yes, I feel it should be stressed that this book is not simply satire. It has a strong strain of satire in its architecture (did I just mix my metaphors?), but it is not limited to that.
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June Book Club: The Gone-Away World by Nick Harkaway
07/06/2010 06:09:34 PM
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What did you think? Love, hate, etc? *NM*
07/06/2010 06:10:02 PM
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No surprises here, I suppose.
07/06/2010 07:05:47 PM
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Neither. Good, but not that deep, and with some annoying things.
07/06/2010 10:29:18 PM
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Mostly regarding being tricked
08/06/2010 08:47:56 AM
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*lol* Don't give up on your thesis just yet.
08/06/2010 09:20:16 AM
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Re: I am linking to my review, because I am self-centred like that. But I am not a fan.
09/06/2010 11:47:16 AM
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Is it successful as a satire?
07/06/2010 06:11:11 PM
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Yes, as long as we are clear on one thing: that is not all it does.
07/06/2010 08:29:59 PM
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Partially.
08/06/2010 01:58:19 PM
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Re: Actually, the IMF loan thing worked better for me.
09/06/2010 11:50:36 AM
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But right up to the point where they're given one they don't want, and the interest thing, etc?
12/06/2010 01:21:11 PM
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Characters:
07/06/2010 06:12:29 PM
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One of my favourite things about this book. *spoilers* (do we need to mark spoilers here?)
07/06/2010 07:58:36 PM
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The BIG twist:
07/06/2010 06:13:38 PM
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Not such a surprise
07/06/2010 07:01:24 PM
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Apparently I was the only person who did not see it coming *spoilers*
07/06/2010 08:51:01 PM
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Re: I guessed it in the second chapter.
09/06/2010 12:00:49 PM
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I clearly need to reread Thief of Time.
13/06/2010 06:07:28 PM
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Re: Spoiler for Thief of Time :
14/06/2010 08:27:33 AM
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Ideas
07/06/2010 06:15:25 PM
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Re: Ideas
08/06/2010 12:41:31 PM
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Re: I agree with you, and I think it is one of the drawbacks of the novel.
09/06/2010 12:07:51 PM
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Re: I agree with you, and I think it is one of the drawbacks of the novel.
09/06/2010 06:26:20 PM
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Re: I think you tend to read something and then decide that it is not fit for the genre it is trying
10/06/2010 09:23:29 AM
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The New People
07/06/2010 07:32:46 PM
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I know how I would have reacted in real life
08/06/2010 01:20:04 PM
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Re: I would have been one of those awkward hypocrites who tried to be cool with it.
09/06/2010 12:11:51 PM
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The first chapter
07/06/2010 09:01:13 PM
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Favourite scenes
08/06/2010 01:31:57 PM
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Re: Ninjas vs. Pirates: Your inner geek votes for?
09/06/2010 12:05:22 PM
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Pirates. Everytime.
12/06/2010 01:29:01 PM
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Re: Pirates. Everytime.
15/06/2010 02:40:45 PM
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I don't consider the pirates thing to be a "pattern"
15/06/2010 02:52:46 PM
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Oh, but that is just the thing: it is.
15/06/2010 03:16:26 PM
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I suspect our differing opinions on what is and isn't a pattern might make this discussion fail.
17/06/2010 06:19:11 PM
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A question I had while reading the book - was this meant to be set in Britain, the US, or some mix?
13/06/2010 10:53:03 PM
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You've not got it quite right. We are able to distinguish between a truck and a lorry.
20/06/2010 11:09:51 PM
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The other people in the airfield pond
15/06/2010 03:04:01 PM
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They were scary.
17/06/2010 06:25:59 PM
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The use of tense
17/06/2010 03:55:01 PM
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This is a tendency I have noticed in a lot of contemporary literature
17/06/2010 08:54:55 PM
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