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Ooh, good survey. I've been thinking for a while we needed more poetry discussion. Legolas Send a noteboard - 08/11/2010 10:58:24 AM
Do you think that poetry deserves a wider readership?

Well, several others here have made a good point... there's no point in people who aren't interested reading it. But no doubt many people who think they aren't interested just haven't found the right poems yet, so yes, I suppose I do think it deserves a wider readership.
Do bookstores with no designated poetry section but entire shelves full of Ayn Rand and Bibles make you angry?

I can't claim I generally devote too much attention to a bookstore's poetry section... that is, I might check it out and even buy volumes, but it's not the first thing I go looking for, and I wouldn't be too upset if it was missing. I don't generally check out poetry the way I would other books, randomly looking at books that look interesting or authors that sound familiar. With poetry, I just see if by any chance the store has a poet that I like for a decent price.

Why would a bookstore have entire shelves full of Bibles, though? Even in the US (perhaps even especially in the US, where everyone already has one anyway), surely that can't be necessary.
If you had a beautiful little bookstore and could stock it with whatever you wanted, wouldn't you have a section devoted to poetry?

I would. Multilingual poetry, as others said.
Why is poetry important?

Because it allows for the expression of deep ideas and emotions in a simple, appealing way. And because it's one of the oldest forms of literature. And because it's probably the only genre of literature which one can appreciate to some extent even in languages one doesn't speak (that is, assuming the poem is read to you by someone who does speak said language).
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What are your favorite poems?

Gates of Damascus (Flecker), Rime of the Ancient Mariner (Coleridge), No Second Troy (Yeats), lily has a rose (cummings). And many more not coming to mind or that I don't know the title of, see favourite poets.
Who are your favorite poets?

In roughly chronological order: Sappho, Catullus, Hooft, Vondel, Flecker, Poe, Yeats, van Ostaijen, Achterberg, cummings, 't Hooft (not to be confused with the other Hooft).

There are many more that I'm sure I'd like if I read them, but I have yet to really read countless famous poets (Dante, Petrarca, Donne, Keats, Baudelaire, Rimbaud, Verlaine, the list is long).
How did you discover them?

Most of them in school. Poe, Yeats and cummings were probably more on the internet somehow, by looking up references or coming across their names somehow. Flecker was thanks to the quote from his Gates of Damascus that is referenced in the Agatha Christie novel Postern of Fate.
Why should I read them? I am compiling a christmas list, and need to know.

Well, all the Flemish/Dutch ones on the list you probably won't read anyway, or the Antique ones. As for the ones writing in English, though: the former three are at times perhaps a bit pompous or decadent by modern standards, but they are very good at what they do. Flecker writes most of his poems in rhyme, and still makes it sound like he's picked his rhyming words for their meaning and not for the rhyme. Yeats has some great images and lines that have remained in the collective memory (most notably "Things fall apart; the center cannot hold";). cummings is radically different, with his refusal to use capitals and his use of simple words, but he too does it so phenomenally well.
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Answers from someone indifferent. - 08/11/2010 02:57:38 AM 1106 Views
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This is why people dislike you. - 09/11/2010 07:03:17 PM 1139 Views
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I think it's rather pointless, to be honest. - 09/11/2010 10:54:17 PM 1105 Views
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You're the one who doesn't care. - 09/11/2010 11:02:11 PM 1029 Views
I care only as much as I care. What others think is irrelevant to that. - 09/11/2010 11:04:15 PM 1040 Views
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Because I'm stringing you out until you quit. - 09/11/2010 11:10:18 PM 1125 Views
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I do as well. It's fun pretending to be an asshole, I'll admit. - 09/11/2010 11:17:34 PM 1066 Views
Come now, who's pretending? - 09/11/2010 11:22:18 PM 1076 Views
That is officially the last one before I start editing and making them NM. *NM* - 09/11/2010 11:24:12 PM 503 Views
Word. *NM* *NM* - 09/11/2010 11:29:37 PM 423 Views
Me, most of the time - 09/11/2010 11:40:26 PM 1065 Views
Keep telling yourself that. *NM* - 09/11/2010 11:46:34 PM 937 Views
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What about THE Other? *NM* - 10/11/2010 12:16:53 AM 461 Views
I'm not going to quote Sartre here...this time. *NM* - 10/11/2010 12:20:22 AM 458 Views
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See my original point. *NM* - 09/11/2010 11:15:30 PM 455 Views
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But you were asked about it originally. That was my point. - 09/11/2010 11:23:25 PM 1002 Views
And I was evasive about it at the time. When pressed, I answered more fully. - 09/11/2010 11:48:27 PM 1055 Views
Why be evasive? - 10/11/2010 12:16:19 AM 1178 Views
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But that takes the fun out of this! *NM* - 09/11/2010 11:21:25 PM 494 Views
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I disagree with your claim that there can be no value in translations. - 09/11/2010 08:51:20 PM 1060 Views
Not "no value", but "different value" is what I would argue - 09/11/2010 09:55:54 PM 1135 Views
An English translation of The Divine Comedy was pivotal to my conversion to Christianity. - 10/11/2010 11:04:57 AM 993 Views
Dante has a lot to answer for. *NM* - 10/11/2010 08:21:19 PM 447 Views
Ah, but to whom...? - 10/11/2010 09:17:16 PM 1021 Views
K. - 08/11/2010 04:35:56 AM 1213 Views
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Nothing wrong with humorous redundancy! - 09/11/2010 01:10:02 AM 1021 Views
Ooh, good survey. I've been thinking for a while we needed more poetry discussion. - 08/11/2010 10:58:24 AM 1247 Views
I think you underestimate the number of translations of the Bible. - 09/11/2010 01:20:30 AM 1217 Views
Did they just translate logos as... life-light? - 09/11/2010 07:14:28 PM 1104 Views
Yes. Yes, they did. *NM* - 09/11/2010 09:56:09 PM 414 Views
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My favourite translation of logos is "point of it all". - 10/11/2010 05:12:05 PM 1370 Views
Interersting - 08/11/2010 05:14:41 PM 1115 Views
I can count the poems I enjoy on one hand. Two fingers, in fact. - 08/11/2010 06:05:22 PM 1097 Views
I think poetry is largely overrated. - 08/11/2010 06:12:59 PM 1181 Views
And you are basing this on extensive non-reading of poetry? *NM* - 09/11/2010 08:57:06 PM 392 Views
Basing what, exactly? But the short answer is, no. - 10/11/2010 05:48:28 PM 1122 Views
the problem is most good poets are dead and dead people tend to fail at marketing - 08/11/2010 06:44:18 PM 1120 Views
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I like some poetry, but by no means all. - 09/11/2010 12:28:41 AM 1233 Views
Now that you mention it, The Imperfect Enjoyment might rank among my favourite poems. *NM* - 09/11/2010 12:46:56 AM 452 Views
It is excellent - 09/11/2010 08:16:01 PM 1217 Views
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Just remembered my favourite poem - 09/11/2010 10:50:03 PM 1155 Views
That is very nice *NM* - 09/11/2010 10:59:53 PM 548 Views
I'll answer this unnumbered survey. - 10/11/2010 01:37:50 AM 1222 Views
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I can't believe I forgot to mention Leonard Cohen. *NM* - 12/11/2010 04:33:15 AM 449 Views

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