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She kind of conflates some issues that are quite different, if you ask me. Legolas Send a noteboard - 06/06/2011 08:47:33 PM
How else can one manage to complain both about the likes of Meyer and about overly realistic and bleak YA writers in the same article? Sure, both groups of books have violence and certain "dark" elements in them, but that's about where the similarity ends. I haven't really read any of Meyer's imitators and rivals, but I would imagine that most of them aren't too far removed from her syrupy, fairy-tale approach to romance and human relationships.

The other group, by whom I'm not sure I've read anything at all (so my comments may have to be taken with a few grains of salt), seems like they write books of rather more merit, books that aim to be realistic and a long way from fairy tales - albeit realistic with an exaggerated focus on the darker side of society.

One can criticize both genres, but it'd have to be for entirely different reasons. Tom made some interesting points in his reply about adolescents these days, who certainly are a bit nihilistic and cynical in some ways, and about how that shouldn't really be encouraged further by this kind of literature. And one can also argue that Meyer and her ilk encourage another trend that shouldn't be encouraged: the tendency to expect success and happiness to come falling into one's lap without any effort, the lack of ambition or even laziness. I suppose these two things aren't contradictory as such, but they're certainly entirely different problems.

And I get the impression that the reason for Gurdon's amalgam is simply ignorance of what she's writing about, the kind of ignorant prejudice that, say, makes some people reject all heavy metal (or rock music, back in the day) - or, perhaps more relevant on this site, genre literature. It's not quite on a level with that ridiculous review of Game of Thrones that somehow made it into the New York Times a few months ago, but it kind of seems to go in that direction.

As for whether adults should restrict what children read... parents should take an interest in what their children read, of course, and if the parents aren't really doing that, it's great if some teachers or others try to fill the void a bit. And in some cases, trying to keep a child from reading a book can be entirely justified, even if it brings that risk of making the forbidden fruit more attractive. I just wish people would be more intelligent and discerning in their censorship, and not try to ban books for such idiotic reasons, profane language top on the list, and sexual content not far behind. There are books with little to no profanity or explicit sexuality that are far worse to read for children or adolescents than other books that have loads of profanity and sex. For instance, Kundera's Unbearable Lightness of Being has quite a bit of sex, but I'd have no problem with young adolescents reading it - if they want to read it, and like what they read, then clearly they're ready for it, even if there will no doubt be many things that elude them on that first read. (I just realized that's essentially the same argument beetnemesis made in a post higher up - but I want to clarify that I only think the statement valid for certain books, and definitely not for others).

And then of course the next question is how a parent with limited time can make such a judgement about some recent book that he/she hasn't read. Warning labels can tell you "this book contains sex/violence/profanity", but they can't tell you if the book is an Unbearable Lightness or a Sexual Life of Catherine M (and damn, that book was awful), or whether it condemns violence or glorifies it. They're clearly far inferior to reading reviews or asking librarians/teachers' advice, but perhaps they serve some purpose for those parents who don't have time for or ready access to such advice, even if they inevitably throw out some good things along with the bad.
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This WSJ article has kicked up a huge fuss on the internet - YA is "too dark". - 05/06/2011 03:46:50 PM 2073 Views
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This is a thought out, finely articulated response. - 05/06/2011 06:47:13 PM 1063 Views
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Why waste time with "YA literature" at all? - 06/06/2011 02:14:03 PM 783 Views
Re: Why waste time with "YA literature" at all? - 06/06/2011 02:28:42 PM 740 Views
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Maybe. It's hard to separate, I think. - 07/06/2011 01:06:29 PM 968 Views
Very good post. - 06/06/2011 08:52:22 PM 806 Views
You seem to be the only one who thinks so. *NM* - 07/06/2011 01:17:18 AM 288 Views
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Heh. - 08/06/2011 07:24:44 PM 1039 Views
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Your response is about where I sit. - 06/06/2011 12:30:04 PM 900 Views
Nope, this is stupid - 05/06/2011 06:38:51 PM 889 Views
Parents have the right and resonsibility to know what their children are reading - 06/06/2011 03:41:22 AM 810 Views
Re: Parents have the right and resonsibility to know what their children are reading - 06/06/2011 12:40:24 PM 944 Views
I'd argue if you're old enough to be interested in the subject matter, you're old enough to read it - 06/06/2011 05:32:33 PM 1072 Views
well so far you have failed to make the argument - 07/06/2011 04:22:00 AM 997 Views
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Basically? Yes. - 07/06/2011 06:42:04 PM 1066 Views
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Don't be an idiot. - 09/06/2011 05:25:26 AM 927 Views
I am being an idiot? - 09/06/2011 04:10:28 PM 912 Views
I wasn't calling you an idiot for disagreeing with me. - 09/06/2011 04:44:37 PM 965 Views
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Well, I wrote a long piece related to this - 06/06/2011 05:21:06 AM 1011 Views
She kind of conflates some issues that are quite different, if you ask me. - 06/06/2011 08:47:33 PM 941 Views
A+++ would read this reply again *NM* - 06/06/2011 10:23:11 PM 302 Views
+1 *NM* - 07/06/2011 01:12:16 AM 290 Views
Wait wait wait wait wait... NYT reviewed Game of Thrones? I must read this - 07/06/2011 03:20:08 AM 819 Views
I think he's talking about the review of the tv show they did. - 07/06/2011 03:30:19 AM 757 Views
Indeed. Everything she said. *NM* - 07/06/2011 06:13:20 PM 268 Views
it does take a lot of work to keep track of your kids - 07/06/2011 05:02:55 AM 959 Views
*I agree with this* *NM* - 07/06/2011 01:18:58 PM 353 Views

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