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*I agree with this* *NM* Stephen Send a noteboard - 07/06/2011 01:18:58 PM
How else can one manage to complain both about the likes of Meyer and about overly realistic and bleak YA writers in the same article? Sure, both groups of books have violence and certain "dark" elements in them, but that's about where the similarity ends. I haven't really read any of Meyer's imitators and rivals, but I would imagine that most of them aren't too far removed from her syrupy, fairy-tale approach to romance and human relationships.

The other group, by whom I'm not sure I've read anything at all (so my comments may have to be taken with a few grains of salt), seems like they write books of rather more merit, books that aim to be realistic and a long way from fairy tales - albeit realistic with an exaggerated focus on the darker side of society.

One can criticize both genres, but it'd have to be for entirely different reasons. Tom made some interesting points in his reply about adolescents these days, who certainly are a bit nihilistic and cynical in some ways, and about how that shouldn't really be encouraged further by this kind of literature. And one can also argue that Meyer and her ilk encourage another trend that shouldn't be encouraged: the tendency to expect success and happiness to come falling into one's lap without any effort, the lack of ambition or even laziness. I suppose these two things aren't contradictory as such, but they're certainly entirely different problems.

And I get the impression that the reason for Gurdon's amalgam is simply ignorance of what she's writing about, the kind of ignorant prejudice that, say, makes some people reject all heavy metal (or rock music, back in the day) - or, perhaps more relevant on this site, genre literature. It's not quite on a level with that ridiculous review of Game of Thrones that somehow made it into the New York Times a few months ago, but it kind of seems to go in that direction.

As for whether adults should restrict what children read... parents should take an interest in what their children read, of course, and if the parents aren't really doing that, it's great if some teachers or others try to fill the void a bit. And in some cases, trying to keep a child from reading a book can be entirely justified, even if it brings that risk of making the forbidden fruit more attractive. I just wish people would be more intelligent and discerning in their censorship, and not try to ban books for such idiotic reasons, profane language top on the list, and sexual content not far behind. There are books with little to no profanity or explicit sexuality that are far worse to read for children or adolescents than other books that have loads of profanity and sex. For instance, Kundera's Unbearable Lightness of Being has quite a bit of sex, but I'd have no problem with young adolescents reading it - if they want to read it, and like what they read, then clearly they're ready for it, even if there will no doubt be many things that elude them on that first read. (I just realized that's essentially the same argument beetnemesis made in a post higher up - but I want to clarify that I only think the statement valid for certain books, and definitely not for others).

And then of course the next question is how a parent with limited time can make such a judgement about some recent book that he/she hasn't read. Warning labels can tell you "this book contains sex/violence/profanity", but they can't tell you if the book is an Unbearable Lightness or a Sexual Life of Catherine M (and damn, that book was awful), or whether it condemns violence or glorifies it. They're clearly far inferior to reading reviews or asking librarians/teachers' advice, but perhaps they serve some purpose for those parents who don't have time for or ready access to such advice, even if they inevitably throw out some good things along with the bad.
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This WSJ article has kicked up a huge fuss on the internet - YA is "too dark". - 05/06/2011 03:46:50 PM 2049 Views
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This is a thought out, finely articulated response. - 05/06/2011 06:47:13 PM 1041 Views
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People have been complaining about this since the novel was invented - 05/06/2011 11:02:58 PM 895 Views
This is different. - 06/06/2011 01:56:56 AM 897 Views
Apparently the article did paint far too bleak a picture, - 06/06/2011 12:39:46 PM 981 Views
Why waste time with "YA literature" at all? - 06/06/2011 02:14:03 PM 760 Views
Re: Why waste time with "YA literature" at all? - 06/06/2011 02:28:42 PM 717 Views
I think that's a post factum justification, not a reason. - 06/06/2011 05:08:09 PM 908 Views
Maybe. It's hard to separate, I think. - 07/06/2011 01:06:29 PM 947 Views
Very good post. - 06/06/2011 08:52:22 PM 779 Views
You seem to be the only one who thinks so. *NM* - 07/06/2011 01:17:18 AM 278 Views
I don't think it's a bad post... I just think that the "despair" is a teen fad, and not as bad as - 07/06/2011 03:19:03 AM 1040 Views
Suicide rates have gone up significantly - 07/06/2011 02:42:55 PM 715 Views
Heh. - 08/06/2011 07:24:44 PM 1020 Views
you are having trouble finding cultural ideas that turned bad? - 08/06/2011 11:56:23 PM 937 Views
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I'd say books offer a fundamentally different experience than movies - 05/06/2011 06:53:55 PM 996 Views
I'm not sure that makes a difference here. - 06/06/2011 04:47:05 AM 998 Views
Because thinking makes you LESS susceptible to these things you're afraid of - 06/06/2011 05:27:26 PM 1028 Views
I don't completely agree with that. - 06/06/2011 07:26:21 PM 983 Views
I feel like I just can't relate to parents determined to shelter their kids from everything - 06/06/2011 10:21:44 PM 974 Views
I don't think that is what this is. - 06/06/2011 10:41:06 PM 873 Views
I suppose I'm giving a lot of credit to the status of "reader" - 07/06/2011 03:08:48 AM 866 Views
Your response is about where I sit. - 06/06/2011 12:30:04 PM 879 Views
Nope, this is stupid - 05/06/2011 06:38:51 PM 869 Views
Parents have the right and resonsibility to know what their children are reading - 06/06/2011 03:41:22 AM 790 Views
Re: Parents have the right and resonsibility to know what their children are reading - 06/06/2011 12:40:24 PM 924 Views
I'd argue if you're old enough to be interested in the subject matter, you're old enough to read it - 06/06/2011 05:32:33 PM 1053 Views
well so far you have failed to make the argument - 07/06/2011 04:22:00 AM 977 Views
Depends on the subject matter. - 07/06/2011 01:07:57 PM 802 Views
Basically? Yes. - 07/06/2011 06:42:04 PM 1047 Views
why do think there is value in letting them read whatever they want? - 07/06/2011 06:52:20 PM 716 Views
Don't be an idiot. - 09/06/2011 05:25:26 AM 901 Views
I am being an idiot? - 09/06/2011 04:10:28 PM 889 Views
I wasn't calling you an idiot for disagreeing with me. - 09/06/2011 04:44:37 PM 943 Views
Do we restrict access or alter parenting? - 06/06/2011 04:31:13 AM 1099 Views
Well, I wrote a long piece related to this - 06/06/2011 05:21:06 AM 988 Views
She kind of conflates some issues that are quite different, if you ask me. - 06/06/2011 08:47:33 PM 924 Views
A+++ would read this reply again *NM* - 06/06/2011 10:23:11 PM 291 Views
+1 *NM* - 07/06/2011 01:12:16 AM 279 Views
Wait wait wait wait wait... NYT reviewed Game of Thrones? I must read this - 07/06/2011 03:20:08 AM 801 Views
I think he's talking about the review of the tv show they did. - 07/06/2011 03:30:19 AM 734 Views
Indeed. Everything she said. *NM* - 07/06/2011 06:13:20 PM 261 Views
it does take a lot of work to keep track of your kids - 07/06/2011 05:02:55 AM 939 Views
*I agree with this* *NM* - 07/06/2011 01:18:58 PM 343 Views

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