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Magic System... or is there one? Jacob Send a noteboard - 06/11/2009 07:07:20 PM
Readers are introduced to Scholes world with a very powerful and destructive display of magical power. A city is destroyed completely by a single massive attack. Yet, what do we know about magic in this world by the end of the novel?

Scholes delineates a few types of magic, earth magic and blood magic for example. We get several examples of earth magic being practiced. The Scout Magics are earth magic, while the Marsher's voice magic, is blood magic. We are told that blood magics where outlawed by the Order and all allied nations, and it is mentioned that a terrible and 'evil' price was paid to access the powers of blood magic.

I find the earth magics that show up in LAMENTATION to be pretty well integrated into the story, and plausible enough. The voice magic, unexplained, still worked for me. It's when I think about that major spell, the The Seven Polyphonic Deaths (or whatever it's called), where I start having questions. Earth magic is derived from properties of the earth, and blood magic... from elements of ritual surrounding the blood. Still, the spell the Isaak sings is words and he is a robot. We are told that this is a most terrible of blood magics, but my question is how? There probably isn't an answer to that one, perhaps a story hole, but it's something to think about.

The elements of dreaming and mysticism fit well with in the story style, and again were well utilized by Scholes in the narrative.

Anyway, what do you think? What did you enjoy about the 'magic' of LAMENTATION? What did you find lacking?
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Lamentation by Ken Scholes the Discussion Thread - 06/11/2009 04:57:27 PM 1071 Views
The setting/created world of the Psalms of Isaak. - 06/11/2009 06:43:57 PM 803 Views
Reminded me of WoT... - 06/11/2009 09:41:44 PM 811 Views
There are some definite similarities. - 07/11/2009 07:57:38 PM 745 Views
Same here, at least as far as the world creation goes. - 12/11/2009 05:18:27 PM 743 Views
Can't believe I never noticed that... - 13/11/2009 05:04:27 AM 792 Views
Complete with salty sayings, even! - 13/11/2009 04:05:45 PM 722 Views
At least it wasn't as heavy-handed in LAMENTATION. - 13/11/2009 08:42:36 PM 743 Views
But Siuan's fish talk is fun! - 13/11/2009 10:22:23 PM 772 Views
As in most cases with Jordan... - 16/11/2009 05:02:21 PM 788 Views
He did not... - 16/11/2009 10:21:15 PM 824 Views
Yes, he most certainly did. - 17/11/2009 02:20:28 PM 839 Views
What? - 18/11/2009 07:58:21 AM 832 Views
Re: The setting/created world of the Psalms of Isaak. - 07/11/2009 05:07:08 AM 790 Views
Well, if it isn't.. - 07/11/2009 07:54:36 PM 739 Views
/Setting: codes and ciphers - 10/11/2009 12:19:27 AM 744 Views
That did bug me a bit... - 10/11/2009 01:31:04 AM 811 Views
I certainly liked the idea... - 10/11/2009 05:22:00 PM 734 Views
Glad to know I wasn't the only way who noticed this - 12/11/2009 01:40:53 AM 708 Views
Nonverbal languages - 12/11/2009 05:28:38 PM 799 Views
Re: Nonverbal languages - 13/11/2009 05:09:25 PM 687 Views
It does require... - 13/11/2009 08:51:46 PM 705 Views
Magic System... or is there one? - 06/11/2009 07:07:20 PM 869 Views
My thoughts. (i.e. <insert generic subject here>) - 06/11/2009 07:38:26 PM 950 Views
Re: My thoughts. (i.e. <insert generic subject here>) - 06/11/2009 08:56:55 PM 1049 Views
Re: My thoughts. (i.e. <insert generic subject here>) - 07/11/2009 01:28:51 AM 992 Views
Themes... - 06/11/2009 09:00:23 PM 858 Views
Loss of innocents... - 07/11/2009 05:15:40 AM 871 Views
Absolutely. - 10/11/2009 07:39:29 PM 730 Views
Re: Themes... - 07/11/2009 04:34:12 PM 858 Views
I think... - 07/11/2009 07:52:12 PM 759 Views
Re: I think... - 08/11/2009 12:42:05 AM 754 Views
I purchased this as an afterthought. - 07/11/2009 04:00:42 PM 821 Views
Characters... - 08/11/2009 02:30:30 AM 811 Views
Isaak, or "he who laughs". - 08/11/2009 02:54:44 AM 869 Views
Indeed. - 10/11/2009 05:31:55 PM 674 Views
I hope we never do get a POV from him. - 10/11/2009 09:10:49 PM 770 Views
Me too. - 11/11/2009 02:20:04 PM 755 Views
That's funny... - 11/11/2009 06:04:13 PM 738 Views
Personally I can't wait to see how Neb developes... *NM* - 10/11/2009 12:05:05 AM 399 Views
Yes, - 10/11/2009 05:27:04 PM 781 Views
Re: Yes, - 10/11/2009 08:01:14 PM 937 Views
Well... hold out. - 10/11/2009 08:23:39 PM 730 Views
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Winters & Neb - 11/11/2009 04:56:35 PM 764 Views
Being, deep down, a romantic at heart... - 12/11/2009 05:31:54 PM 916 Views
I like it too. - 12/11/2009 07:52:05 PM 753 Views
Climactic events and the let down... - 11/11/2009 06:56:33 AM 772 Views
In such a way, the book is a Lament. - 11/11/2009 02:18:17 PM 813 Views
Should you ever conduct an interview with Scholes, would you ask him... - 12/11/2009 05:51:52 PM 759 Views
That's a great question. - 12/11/2009 07:38:13 PM 738 Views

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