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Magic System... or is there one? Jacob Send a noteboard - 06/11/2009 07:07:20 PM
Readers are introduced to Scholes world with a very powerful and destructive display of magical power. A city is destroyed completely by a single massive attack. Yet, what do we know about magic in this world by the end of the novel?

Scholes delineates a few types of magic, earth magic and blood magic for example. We get several examples of earth magic being practiced. The Scout Magics are earth magic, while the Marsher's voice magic, is blood magic. We are told that blood magics where outlawed by the Order and all allied nations, and it is mentioned that a terrible and 'evil' price was paid to access the powers of blood magic.

I find the earth magics that show up in LAMENTATION to be pretty well integrated into the story, and plausible enough. The voice magic, unexplained, still worked for me. It's when I think about that major spell, the The Seven Polyphonic Deaths (or whatever it's called), where I start having questions. Earth magic is derived from properties of the earth, and blood magic... from elements of ritual surrounding the blood. Still, the spell the Isaak sings is words and he is a robot. We are told that this is a most terrible of blood magics, but my question is how? There probably isn't an answer to that one, perhaps a story hole, but it's something to think about.

The elements of dreaming and mysticism fit well with in the story style, and again were well utilized by Scholes in the narrative.

Anyway, what do you think? What did you enjoy about the 'magic' of LAMENTATION? What did you find lacking?
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Lamentation by Ken Scholes the Discussion Thread - 06/11/2009 04:57:27 PM 1165 Views
The setting/created world of the Psalms of Isaak. - 06/11/2009 06:43:57 PM 901 Views
Reminded me of WoT... - 06/11/2009 09:41:44 PM 913 Views
There are some definite similarities. - 07/11/2009 07:57:38 PM 837 Views
Same here, at least as far as the world creation goes. - 12/11/2009 05:18:27 PM 835 Views
Can't believe I never noticed that... - 13/11/2009 05:04:27 AM 898 Views
Complete with salty sayings, even! - 13/11/2009 04:05:45 PM 830 Views
At least it wasn't as heavy-handed in LAMENTATION. - 13/11/2009 08:42:36 PM 830 Views
But Siuan's fish talk is fun! - 13/11/2009 10:22:23 PM 863 Views
As in most cases with Jordan... - 16/11/2009 05:02:21 PM 882 Views
He did not... - 16/11/2009 10:21:15 PM 921 Views
Yes, he most certainly did. - 17/11/2009 02:20:28 PM 924 Views
What? - 18/11/2009 07:58:21 AM 929 Views
Re: The setting/created world of the Psalms of Isaak. - 07/11/2009 05:07:08 AM 876 Views
Well, if it isn't.. - 07/11/2009 07:54:36 PM 824 Views
/Setting: codes and ciphers - 10/11/2009 12:19:27 AM 834 Views
That did bug me a bit... - 10/11/2009 01:31:04 AM 901 Views
I certainly liked the idea... - 10/11/2009 05:22:00 PM 817 Views
Glad to know I wasn't the only way who noticed this - 12/11/2009 01:40:53 AM 800 Views
Nonverbal languages - 12/11/2009 05:28:38 PM 886 Views
Re: Nonverbal languages - 13/11/2009 05:09:25 PM 784 Views
It does require... - 13/11/2009 08:51:46 PM 804 Views
Magic System... or is there one? - 06/11/2009 07:07:20 PM 968 Views
My thoughts. (i.e. <insert generic subject here>) - 06/11/2009 07:38:26 PM 1035 Views
Re: My thoughts. (i.e. <insert generic subject here>) - 06/11/2009 08:56:55 PM 1157 Views
Re: My thoughts. (i.e. <insert generic subject here>) - 07/11/2009 01:28:51 AM 1072 Views
Themes... - 06/11/2009 09:00:23 PM 951 Views
Loss of innocents... - 07/11/2009 05:15:40 AM 973 Views
Absolutely. - 10/11/2009 07:39:29 PM 819 Views
Re: Themes... - 07/11/2009 04:34:12 PM 959 Views
I think... - 07/11/2009 07:52:12 PM 856 Views
Re: I think... - 08/11/2009 12:42:05 AM 848 Views
I purchased this as an afterthought. - 07/11/2009 04:00:42 PM 908 Views
Characters... - 08/11/2009 02:30:30 AM 897 Views
Isaak, or "he who laughs". - 08/11/2009 02:54:44 AM 964 Views
Indeed. - 10/11/2009 05:31:55 PM 767 Views
I hope we never do get a POV from him. - 10/11/2009 09:10:49 PM 859 Views
Me too. - 11/11/2009 02:20:04 PM 849 Views
That's funny... - 11/11/2009 06:04:13 PM 822 Views
Personally I can't wait to see how Neb developes... *NM* - 10/11/2009 12:05:05 AM 454 Views
Yes, - 10/11/2009 05:27:04 PM 904 Views
Re: Yes, - 10/11/2009 08:01:14 PM 1031 Views
Well... hold out. - 10/11/2009 08:23:39 PM 813 Views
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Winters & Neb - 11/11/2009 04:56:35 PM 849 Views
Being, deep down, a romantic at heart... - 12/11/2009 05:31:54 PM 1002 Views
I like it too. - 12/11/2009 07:52:05 PM 843 Views
Climactic events and the let down... - 11/11/2009 06:56:33 AM 870 Views
In such a way, the book is a Lament. - 11/11/2009 02:18:17 PM 906 Views
Should you ever conduct an interview with Scholes, would you ask him... - 12/11/2009 05:51:52 PM 843 Views
That's a great question. - 12/11/2009 07:38:13 PM 826 Views

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