Apparently Denmark only got the opt-out after rejecting the Maastricht treaty.
Legolas Send a noteboard - 12/05/2010 11:47:00 PM
Why didn't they? Did they not have the balls of us and Denmark?
(Incidentally, if every country in the Eurozone had had a binding referendum before joining, I wonder how big it would be... How was public opinion in Belgium in 2000-1?)
(Incidentally, if every country in the Eurozone had had a binding referendum before joining, I wonder how big it would be... How was public opinion in Belgium in 2000-1?)
It's not a matter of "balls", it's a matter of being able to make a case that you'll block progress for everybody if you don't get an opt-out.
Although Denmark might join after all, now (the ironic part is that since they float their currency against the euro unlike Sweden, adopting the euro would be a far smaller change for them than for Sweden). So no, Sweden still has to join in principle - de facto they can join or not join as they like, but since in principle they have to join, you get absurdities like listing them in the assessed countries here.
Our public opinion was rather pro-euro. As a small country with lots of export and with lots of traveling abroad, people liked the economic advantages as well as the practicality of not having to carry around three or four wallets with different currencies when going on a holiday to Italy or Switzerland (though obviously for Switzerland you still need the one foreign currency). And we're not that nationalistic that people cared all that much about giving up the national currency.
So the list of countries using the euro will grow longer, not shorter... Estonia to join in 2011
- 12/05/2010 10:51:37 PM
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Sounds like a winner
- 12/05/2010 11:07:38 PM
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You Americans should like Estonia - they're rather neoliberal that way.
- 12/05/2010 11:18:30 PM
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I liked the remark one Estonian bankofficial made
- 12/05/2010 11:38:26 PM
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I do sometimes wish more Belgians would understand that.
- 12/05/2010 11:52:41 PM
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Re: I do sometimes wish more Belgians would understand that.
- 13/05/2010 12:05:03 AM
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That would be more convincing if universities promoted more social mobility.
- 13/05/2010 12:11:37 AM
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Social attitudes take a very long time to change.
- 13/05/2010 12:28:09 AM
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We have need-based scholarships. We could extend them.
- 13/05/2010 12:38:31 AM
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I guess it depends on exactly what the fees are.
- 13/05/2010 11:06:37 AM
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They're low. Too low.
- 13/05/2010 12:12:29 PM
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- 13/05/2010 12:12:29 PM
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American universities do have entrance exams. Sort of.
- 13/05/2010 02:17:13 PM
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- 13/05/2010 02:17:13 PM
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Those are really too lame to count.
- 13/05/2010 02:21:23 PM
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meh. Most degrees are useless anyway.
- 13/05/2010 01:14:54 AM
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That could be fixed if there weren't such stigma attached to vocational schools.
- 13/05/2010 02:18:40 AM
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Re: That would be more convincing if universities promoted more social mobility.
- 13/05/2010 08:08:16 PM
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Re: That would be more convincing if universities promoted more social mobility.
- 14/05/2010 11:48:22 AM
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Is it as late as university? Or is it a good bit earlier? EDIT: Nevermind. Answered elsewhere.
- 14/05/2010 05:36:50 PM
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Re: Is it as late as university? Or is it a good bit earlier? EDIT: Nevermind. Answered elsewhere.
- 14/05/2010 07:57:32 PM
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Re: That would be more convincing if universities promoted more social mobility.
- 14/05/2010 08:02:58 PM
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naw most of them are getting degrees in liberal arts because they like to read book more then work
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- 13/05/2010 02:01:59 PM
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- 13/05/2010 02:01:59 PM
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Surely Sweden can say, or could have said, that they wouldn't join till they damn well felt like it?
- 12/05/2010 11:39:57 PM
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Apparently Denmark only got the opt-out after rejecting the Maastricht treaty.
- 12/05/2010 11:47:00 PM
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Good point: it seems to me no-one cares about being Belgian, only Flemish or Walloon
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- 12/05/2010 11:51:27 PM
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- 12/05/2010 11:51:27 PM
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It's slightly more subtle than that.
- 13/05/2010 12:00:29 AM
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What do you think about this suggestion?
- 13/05/2010 12:09:02 AM
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That has been suggested by many, yeah.
- 13/05/2010 12:28:24 AM
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But before you make a decision like that...
- 13/05/2010 08:36:07 AM
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They can export him to another country which needs a king. Wouldn't be the first time.
- 13/05/2010 10:57:59 AM
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Hmm, a pan-European entity getting too big and splitting into Eastern and Western administrations...
- 13/05/2010 11:09:51 AM
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There is one answer to most of those questions
- 12/05/2010 11:49:46 PM
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I love that the rest of you have the euro.
- 12/05/2010 11:53:10 PM
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*waits for the Pound to drop and the UK begging for the euro*
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- 12/05/2010 11:56:25 PM
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- 12/05/2010 11:56:25 PM
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That would be the worst time to do it.
- 13/05/2010 12:05:32 AM
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I think on the balance, that's probably better than the opposite, but yeah, neither is ideal. *NM*
- 13/05/2010 12:14:23 AM
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WOW WHEN DID THE UK CHANGE THEIR COINS
- 13/05/2010 12:10:41 AM
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- 13/05/2010 12:10:41 AM
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2008, apparently. Though I don't think we actually saw them until 2009.
- 13/05/2010 12:17:46 AM
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Oh. Okay. I guess the black is just a reflective thing they're doing for the photo.
- 13/05/2010 12:37:24 AM
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I used to use a ten-pound note to inhale...things.
- 13/05/2010 05:54:09 AM
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You have a thing for Charles Darwin?
- 13/05/2010 10:45:14 AM
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From "Mean Mr. Mustard" - "keeps a ten-bob note up his nose...such a mean old man..."
- 13/05/2010 02:36:34 PM
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In that case I'm going to have to disappoint you.
- 13/05/2010 02:54:04 PM
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I knew that, but I had limited options.
- 13/05/2010 03:15:07 PM
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You could try a €500 note.
- 13/05/2010 03:18:11 PM
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In other news, the sky is blue.
- 13/05/2010 03:33:25 PM
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- 13/05/2010 03:33:25 PM
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I seem to remember reading something in 2002 about Germans paying their monthly rent in cash.
- 13/05/2010 03:43:35 PM
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Ooh...I'm sure THAT will shore up the eurozone... *laughs*
- 13/05/2010 05:51:12 AM
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Nobody said it would.
- 13/05/2010 12:34:27 PM
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- 13/05/2010 12:34:27 PM
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You know what will save the eurozone ?
- 13/05/2010 04:55:06 PM
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