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People are saying it because those with a good knowledge of the party are telling them that. snoopcester Send a noteboard - 14/05/2010 11:40:25 AM
(and this is what has been annoying me about loads of usually intelligent people): it is unfair to judge a modern party based on what the party with the same name did in the past. 13 years mightn't seem like a long time, but it is these days, and the Conservatives are currently lead by a chap who is only 43. Young(er) people tend to be more ... liberal.

Mrs Thatcher was very much her own person - so much so, in fact, that she was ultimately brought down by a party rebellion. There's therefore no reason to suppose that the modern Tories will follow her footsteps. And I've seen that pundits are calling some of the younger chaps Thatcherites: based on what? They've not had any power at all. Comparisons are ridiculous at this point.


It is generally a good idea to assume a magazine like the Spectator has a pretty good idea of what is going on in the Tory party -
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article7125806.ece
Fraser Nelson is writing in The Times but is current editor of The Spectator magazine.
"As several surveys show, the typical new Tory MP is reform-minded and resolutely Eurosceptic — the type of Tory who has posters of Thatcher on the wall and Jacques Delors on the dartboard."

There is still a clear element of the old Tory party still around, Hague and IDS being the most obvious examples (aside from Clarke who was an actual ex-Thatcher minister and ironically isn't an old style Tory).

I'd be perfectly fine with you being this negative etc if they had given you reason to be recently. They haven't. They've been in Opposition. You actually cannot accurately gauge a party's policies and standards on their Opposition years because their job is to Oppose. That doesn't necessarily show their true colours.


Well there is their manifesto which had some clear out and out old style Tory policies which counts against them.
The 55% for dissolution of Parliament is at best a pretty bone-headed move and at worst an attempt to alter the system to protect the Government from future unpopularity in an undemocratic way. Not a great start there.

Give it a year and come back to me then.


Time will tell, for me though it is for them to prove themselves, not be given a free ride. There have been some good moves - mostly the choices of Minister for Justice and Attorney General. There is still a lot to prove though, so we shall see.
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How to live with the Tories Camilla - 13/05/2010 12:33:49 PM 1034 Views
Her 101 reasons to love our Tory government was even better. Legolas - 13/05/2010 12:42:39 PM 695 Views
That was excellent Camilla - 13/05/2010 12:48:34 PM 650 Views
That has been used a few times now snoopcester - 13/05/2010 01:27:50 PM 599 Views
Oh, well, it was new to me. Legolas - 13/05/2010 01:36:13 PM 640 Views
I do like one of the comments especially The Shrike - 13/05/2010 07:03:15 PM 589 Views
I agree. Legolas - 13/05/2010 07:11:40 PM 665 Views
What an even-handed, stereotype-free, and balanced piece of journalism. *NM* Tim - 13/05/2010 02:07:35 PM 322 Views
Yup. *NM* Camilla - 13/05/2010 02:09:35 PM 295 Views
Oh, come on. It's a humourous column. Legolas - 13/05/2010 02:23:16 PM 677 Views
Re: Oh, come on. It's a humourous column. Camilla - 13/05/2010 02:30:41 PM 695 Views
Just politely ask them to leave. Joel - 13/05/2010 02:16:53 PM 587 Views
You'll survive Larry - 13/05/2010 02:54:20 PM 651 Views
Your partisanship is getting annoying, actually. The Shrike - 13/05/2010 06:55:28 PM 771 Views
I'm Rebekah and I endorse this comment. Rebekah - 13/05/2010 08:10:03 PM 669 Views
While everyone is entitled to their opinion Balwer - 13/05/2010 08:28:59 PM 712 Views
Re: While everyone is entitled to their opinion Camilla - 13/05/2010 09:28:36 PM 659 Views
I'm sorry I care about politics. Camilla - 13/05/2010 08:45:26 PM 707 Views
It's easy to complain. Actually doing something is rather more difficult. *NM* Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 10:17:47 PM 293 Views
What do you suggest I do, pray tell? *NM* Camilla - 13/05/2010 10:19:30 PM 276 Views
Learn how to live with people who disagree with you. Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 10:21:08 PM 613 Views
Oh, come on. Camilla - 13/05/2010 10:29:38 PM 731 Views
Do you really spell it "superiour" in Britain? That's wonderful. Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 10:37:21 PM 759 Views
Pretty please with sugar on top Camilla - 13/05/2010 10:50:48 PM 687 Views
Meh. That wasn't meant to be condescending. I never expected the ou to enter that word, is all. Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 11:02:11 PM 654 Views
Re: Meh. That wasn't meant to be condescending. I never expected the ou to enter that word, is all. Camilla - 13/05/2010 11:03:42 PM 620 Views
Yeah, um, that wasn't me. Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 11:08:48 PM 642 Views
Re: Yeah, um, that wasn't me. Camilla - 13/05/2010 11:11:04 PM 645 Views
I don't mind transference of anger, but let's keep my quotes accurate at least. Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 11:15:37 PM 651 Views
See, this is what I find offensive Camilla - 13/05/2010 11:21:28 PM 648 Views
Fair enough. It was unfair of me to use "learn." Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 11:30:34 PM 624 Views
Re: Fair enough. It was unfair of me to use "learn." Camilla - 13/05/2010 11:32:29 PM 637 Views
That's kind of my point, though. Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 11:33:51 PM 601 Views
Two posts in three days about a new Government in the country? snoopcester - 13/05/2010 11:18:06 PM 659 Views
This is so true Wibble - 13/05/2010 11:29:30 PM 622 Views
Re: This is so true Camilla - 13/05/2010 11:36:44 PM 635 Views
I could be Tory enough for both of us, if you like. Rebekah - 13/05/2010 11:45:41 PM 646 Views
Sorry. But I can't bring myself to vote for 'that bloody party' Wibble - 13/05/2010 11:48:26 PM 623 Views
Re: Sorry. But I can't bring myself to vote for 'that bloody party' Camilla - 13/05/2010 11:54:10 PM 613 Views
I hereby invite myself to the said discussion. *NM* Tim - 14/05/2010 12:13:34 PM 265 Views
I certainly wouldn't go that far. Nowhere near. *NM* Rebekah - 13/05/2010 11:43:20 PM 318 Views
On the comparison or on you people's spelling? *NM* Ghavrel - 14/05/2010 12:13:42 AM 291 Views
On the comparison. Rebekah - 14/05/2010 01:08:17 PM 671 Views
Re: On the comparison. Camilla - 14/05/2010 01:56:00 PM 645 Views
Not for a good few centuries. *NM* Tim - 14/05/2010 12:19:36 PM 320 Views
They were not delivered condescendingly. I am sorry you took it as such. The Shrike - 13/05/2010 11:50:23 PM 605 Views
Re: They were not delivered condescendingly. I am sorry you took it as such. Camilla - 13/05/2010 11:53:08 PM 643 Views
Eh, another time then. The Shrike - 13/05/2010 11:56:21 PM 675 Views
Re: Eh, another time then. Camilla - 14/05/2010 12:04:12 AM 656 Views
Oh well. The Shrike - 14/05/2010 02:48:51 AM 683 Views
I was gonna make a post with precisely the same title as Camilla's. So: Oh, come on. Legolas - 13/05/2010 10:43:12 PM 746 Views
thank you. Camilla - 13/05/2010 10:46:38 PM 619 Views
Re: I was gonna make a post with precisely the same title as Camilla's. So: Oh, come on. Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 10:59:28 PM 648 Views
Re: I was gonna make a post with precisely the same title as Camilla's. So: Oh, come on. Legolas - 13/05/2010 11:16:07 PM 763 Views
I dunno. It looks to me that's what Balwer was saying with his flogged horse comment. Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 11:18:30 PM 573 Views
I'm sorry you care more about your own political agenda than about trying to see a party in power The Shrike - 13/05/2010 11:44:32 PM 573 Views
You think Tories won't go proto-Orwellian on you? Camilla - 13/05/2010 11:46:45 PM 561 Views
If both, theoretically, will abuse power, then The Shrike - 13/05/2010 11:54:53 PM 658 Views
Re: If both, theoretically, will abuse power, then Camilla - 13/05/2010 11:58:17 PM 651 Views
If not a fan of Labour and not a fan of Tory, then The Shrike - 14/05/2010 12:01:37 AM 677 Views
Re: If not a fan of Labour and not a fan of Tory, then Camilla - 14/05/2010 12:06:56 AM 676 Views
Thing is, Rebekah - 13/05/2010 11:55:17 PM 640 Views
Re: Thing is, Camilla - 13/05/2010 11:59:58 PM 742 Views
Rebekah - 14/05/2010 12:01:42 AM 685 Views
Re: Camilla - 14/05/2010 12:05:15 AM 659 Views
A date "in a year's time" will be easy to remember. We have Scottish elections on 5 May 2011. Tim - 14/05/2010 12:12:26 PM 563 Views
Lets be honest Wibble - 14/05/2010 12:11:44 AM 681 Views
True fact. *NM* Rebekah - 14/05/2010 12:12:36 AM 312 Views
Very true, however Mark - 14/05/2010 03:54:21 PM 712 Views
Surely a good part of that is just humour, though? Legolas - 14/05/2010 12:25:21 AM 594 Views
Part of it, yes. Rebekah - 14/05/2010 08:43:12 AM 677 Views
People are saying it because those with a good knowledge of the party are telling them that. snoopcester - 14/05/2010 11:40:25 AM 711 Views
Re: People are saying it because those with a good knowledge of the party are telling them that. Rebekah - 14/05/2010 01:05:44 PM 644 Views
Re: People are saying it because those with a good knowledge of the party are telling them that. snoopcester - 14/05/2010 01:28:38 PM 757 Views
Well. Rebekah - 14/05/2010 01:47:29 PM 1115 Views
Re: Well. snoopcester - 14/05/2010 02:58:57 PM 1000 Views
It's the only way to judge a political party Mark - 14/05/2010 04:10:26 PM 594 Views
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