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I understand Bramhodoulos Send a noteboard - 14/06/2010 09:14:24 AM
From a pragmatic standpoint and living in a society in which various people from various cultural and religious backgrounds live I believe that many of the -ism you mentioned, along with several others, will help society a lot to allow us to live in peace with one another and are perfectly usefull as guidelines.


Ok, so here you say that pramatical justice allows us to live in peace with one another. Is this not the purpose of justice? What makes your religious justice more valid than pragmatism if they equally allow us to live in peace with one another? What do you believe is the fundamental purpose of justice?

It may, I don't know, all I know is that in this world it doesn't seem to work in the end because no matter how usefull (I say usefull, not "good" all those guidlines are, they can never be truely tested due to ambibuity in how to work them out in every situation. Like utilism, how does one calculate the maximum happyness? And if one chooses not to act in accordance with that principle all the time (as we all do almost 24/7) what should be the punishment? Wouldn't the judge have to be a hypocrite as well?

If justice's only goal is to allows us to live in peace, than Apartheid, slavery and the like can theoretically be justice too, but I tend to doubt that those kinds of systems resemble justice. Justice also has an aesthetic side and I prefer not to let that part go. Though that may depend on your definition of "peace". If peace is the lack of violence than it may be the lease evil kind of justice, if peace means perfect harmony, than I simply believe that mankind cannot achieve that on it's own and history backs me up on that.

Do you believe that christianty is the religion about which you speak here?

If you would define "christianity" as "that what Jesus believed and thought" (and the people who failingly try to live it out), than I would say yes.
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