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Red/blue assumptions here are likely a mistake Isaac Send a noteboard - 25/07/2010 01:43:18 AM
Trying to figure out the root causes of why individual conservatives don't like gay marriage will invariably ignore three important points plus the fact that most people have widely different reasons not particularly related to religion for why they disapprove of gays.

1: Most people don't really like gays, lots of people just fake it

2: Most conservatives don't really like liberals

3: Most visible gays are liberals

From which it follows most conservatives don't like anything to do with gay rights because its 1) Gay and 2) Viewed as something the liberals want

That's it, no mysteries, no nothing. Conservatives probably dislike gays no more than libs do, they just don't lie to others or themselves much about it. They don't really stand to benefit from changing their minds either, though the valiant efforts of the Log Cabin Republicans may change that, they got a mostly warm, in some cases enthusiastic welcome at CPAC, because if there's one thing conservatives love more than family values it's displays of self-sacrificing loyalty.

I'm pretty sure the Fagenda (That's what you people are calling it these days right, so I'm hip and PC right?) could make a lot more progress is it put out a video of two gun toting lesbians talking about how because they couldn't get married they couldn't secure a proper house loan and therefore live in a bad neighborhood as a result of the welfare state brought on by the vile commie-atheists liberals and how they couldn't move out of it because the eco-nuts at the EPA stole their land for an endangered beetle, and that's why they need guns to protect them and their adopted son who they rescued from a third world commie/muslim nation with aid of brave Christian missionaries but the dirty liberals want to take their guns away and how will they protect themselves and their family then. Nail a cross to the door and hang a flag and the right will declare them national heroes, hell I'm angry just thinking about it and I just made it up. Point being there's not much lying around to get behind and people want visible heroes to switch views, Daniel Choi for instance probably won a lot more silent approval from the right then most non-conservatives would believe but he'd have had an even bigger impact if he'd said "Repeal DADT, it's just another way of the government trying to control our personal lives like Obamacare"
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Red Families, Blue Families, Gay Families, and the Search for a New Normal - 24/07/2010 05:56:09 AM 679 Views
This guy needs an editor. "Alright" is not all right. *NM* - 24/07/2010 07:44:40 AM 73 Views
Is that really all you have to say about that article? - 24/07/2010 12:14:11 PM 178 Views
When I'm on my iPhone I'm limited to short snark. - 24/07/2010 10:21:48 PM 184 Views
Mmm, really though... - 24/07/2010 10:55:46 PM 164 Views
It's a shame forum posts don't have "Sent from my iPhone" at the bottom like e-mails do. - 25/07/2010 12:00:12 AM 170 Views
What, so we can have the excuse for writing shitty posts? - 25/07/2010 01:52:01 AM 170 Views
I understand a lot of black people oppose gay marriage. - 25/07/2010 01:02:18 PM 165 Views
I understand a lot of black people oppose gay marriage. - 25/07/2010 01:02:19 PM 169 Views
Two things - 25/07/2010 01:43:56 PM 168 Views
BS it is culture not religion - 25/07/2010 03:21:59 AM 176 Views
Five high-profile atheists against gay marriage. Go. *NM* - 25/07/2010 04:22:57 AM 91 Views
China *NM* - 25/07/2010 04:51:43 AM 77 Views
...well played. *NM* - 25/07/2010 04:55:33 AM 79 Views
That's a fascinating insight, although it does set my "oversimplification" alarm bells ringing. - 24/07/2010 01:02:38 PM 198 Views
I agree that it seems overly simplified - 24/07/2010 03:26:13 PM 184 Views
what do you mean don't assciate red/blue with republican/democrat? - 26/07/2010 04:34:18 PM 150 Views
I know, but in the context of what he's discussing... - 26/07/2010 05:43:29 PM 149 Views
that is like trying to separate wet and water - 26/07/2010 06:29:48 PM 155 Views
I'm thinking a bit outside his actual article - 26/07/2010 08:32:09 PM 149 Views
very interesting read - 24/07/2010 03:27:41 PM 149 Views
This is a very interesting subject. I'll link to an older article inside. - 24/07/2010 05:50:47 PM 173 Views
Shit that new yorker article is almost 2 years old - 25/07/2010 05:25:20 AM 163 Views
You pre-empted one of the comments I was going to make... - 25/07/2010 12:12:56 AM 187 Views
Try reading the article to which I linked in the post above yours. - 25/07/2010 03:01:21 AM 162 Views
In america once you account inflation and after taxes - 25/07/2010 05:16:35 AM 164 Views
Not sure what the relevance of that to my post is? - 25/07/2010 10:52:29 AM 155 Views
You were saying - 25/07/2010 01:38:12 PM 155 Views
My point on that topic was... - 25/07/2010 01:50:19 PM 164 Views
I nor the author never said the word failure - 25/07/2010 02:45:11 PM 152 Views
Red/blue assumptions here are likely a mistake - 25/07/2010 01:43:18 AM 202 Views
I'd be interested to see the reasons why you assert that "most people don't really like gays." - 25/07/2010 01:56:30 AM 173 Views
You'd only ever get anecdotal proof - 25/07/2010 02:15:54 AM 171 Views
in some instances, it's totally legit to dislike a fat person - 25/07/2010 04:19:40 AM 168 Views
In that case, then, I disagree with you. - 25/07/2010 04:25:38 AM 155 Views
Well, like I said I think you're mistaking my meaning on that - 25/07/2010 05:12:45 AM 158 Views
most people don't really like most people, period. - 25/07/2010 04:15:58 AM 149 Views
how many people in your generation use "that is so gay" as a compliment? - 26/07/2010 02:33:12 PM 175 Views
and article that uses "Red families and Blues Families" as it basis really can't be taken seriously - 26/07/2010 02:59:20 PM 158 Views
I'm not disagreeing with your whole post, but two important points... - 26/07/2010 04:43:55 PM 164 Views
Well, Cahn and Carbone aren't experts in the field either - 26/07/2010 05:25:50 PM 159 Views
while the specific demographics discussed are certainly worth questioning... - 26/07/2010 05:48:30 PM 174 Views
the study he builds his argument around is not worth questioning - 26/07/2010 06:43:21 PM 150 Views
I agree with you mostly - 26/07/2010 08:28:04 PM 156 Views
My personal definition is a man and woman wanting to raise children or at least build a life togeth - 26/07/2010 10:22:35 PM 159 Views
All of that is quite sensible. - 26/07/2010 11:47:10 PM 152 Views
Interesting. - 26/07/2010 06:40:44 PM 162 Views
just to be nit picky myself - 26/07/2010 06:48:56 PM 150 Views
Correct, the median age factor was also ignored - 26/07/2010 07:28:19 PM 175 Views
I think those points support my argument - 26/07/2010 06:16:29 PM 156 Views
Re: I think those points support my argument - 26/07/2010 06:31:34 PM 149 Views

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