Firstly, I think it's rather unfair to judge a book of presumably many hundreds of pages by a supposedly summarizing article of a few pages that isn't even written by the authors - hell, not even by an expert in the field. Sure, the book uses that terminology of Red and Blue families in its title, but it's normal enough for a scientific book to have a not entirely scientific title that is a lot less nuanced than the actual content of the book.
Well I have heard of their book before and I have read reviews and synopses of it as well as excerpts. Their basic arguments boils down to the fact the since a few very blue states do better in certain family value measurements then a few very red states liberal values on family are superior to conservative values. I guess it is possible that their entire body of work is not a stinking pile of crap meant to convince them and their liberal friends of their moral and intellectual superiority but I really not willing to wade through it all to find out.
Secondly, I would have to disagree that African-Americans are all that liberal as a group. They certainly are very Democratic-leaning as a group, but the two aren't the same thing - there are centrist and even conservative-leaning Democrats out there. And I think it's clear for everyone that all those African-Americans have other reasons to vote Democratic than their actual political views - it doesn't make any sense that such a vast percentage of African-Americans would have liberal political views. I think the article even mentions this, and points out the known fact that many African-Americans have social views that are more conservative than the Democratic mainstream.
What was the measure for how red or blue a state was? How they voted in presidential elections. The average African American may have more conservatives views then the left side the democratic party but they would still be much more liberal then the average Utah republican. If the argument that a liberal point of view made for a more stable family which waits longer to have children and get married then the average African American should get married later the average Utah republican.
Instead of the self serving a patently ridicules argument that red vs blue it makes a lot more sense if you look at social and economic factors such as wealth and education. The majority of poor people in this country are uneducated whites that live in rural areas so it isn't surprising that red states score lower then a few select blue states. Blue states like California do worse then some red states.
I think most people would agree that South Carolina is more conservative than Washington but they actually do slightly better on the marriage matrix. Sorry but as I said earlier the entire theory is nothing more then the typical self delusional crap we say coming from liberals these days.
Red Families, Blue Families, Gay Families, and the Search for a New Normal
24/07/2010 05:56:09 AM
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This guy needs an editor. "Alright" is not all right. *NM*
24/07/2010 07:44:40 AM
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Is that really all you have to say about that article?
24/07/2010 12:14:11 PM
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When I'm on my iPhone I'm limited to short snark.
24/07/2010 10:21:48 PM
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It's a shame forum posts don't have "Sent from my iPhone" at the bottom like e-mails do.
25/07/2010 12:00:12 AM
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What, so we can have the excuse for writing shitty posts?
25/07/2010 01:52:01 AM
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I understand a lot of black people oppose gay marriage.
25/07/2010 01:02:19 PM
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Two things
25/07/2010 01:43:56 PM
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You shouldn't underestimate the power of religion in Africa as well.
25/07/2010 01:51:59 PM
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BS it is culture not religion
25/07/2010 03:21:59 AM
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That's a fascinating insight, although it does set my "oversimplification" alarm bells ringing.
24/07/2010 01:02:38 PM
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I agree that it seems overly simplified
24/07/2010 03:26:13 PM
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what do you mean don't assciate red/blue with republican/democrat?
26/07/2010 04:34:18 PM
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I know, but in the context of what he's discussing...
26/07/2010 05:43:29 PM
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This is a very interesting subject. I'll link to an older article inside.
24/07/2010 05:50:47 PM
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You pre-empted one of the comments I was going to make...
25/07/2010 12:12:56 AM
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Try reading the article to which I linked in the post above yours.
25/07/2010 03:01:21 AM
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In america once you account inflation and after taxes
25/07/2010 05:16:35 AM
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Not sure what the relevance of that to my post is?
25/07/2010 10:52:29 AM
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You were saying
25/07/2010 01:38:12 PM
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My point on that topic was...
25/07/2010 01:50:19 PM
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I nor the author never said the word failure
25/07/2010 02:45:11 PM
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Okay, well, my points are there, if you ever want to react to them, feel free.
25/07/2010 04:54:21 PM
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Red/blue assumptions here are likely a mistake
25/07/2010 01:43:18 AM
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I'd be interested to see the reasons why you assert that "most people don't really like gays."
25/07/2010 01:56:30 AM
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You'd only ever get anecdotal proof
25/07/2010 02:15:54 AM
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how many people in your generation use "that is so gay" as a compliment?
26/07/2010 02:33:12 PM
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and article that uses "Red families and Blues Families" as it basis really can't be taken seriously
26/07/2010 02:59:20 PM
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I'm not disagreeing with your whole post, but two important points...
26/07/2010 04:43:55 PM
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Well, Cahn and Carbone aren't experts in the field either
26/07/2010 05:25:50 PM
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while the specific demographics discussed are certainly worth questioning...
26/07/2010 05:48:30 PM
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the study he builds his argument around is not worth questioning
26/07/2010 06:43:21 PM
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I agree with you mostly
26/07/2010 08:28:04 PM
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My personal definition is a man and woman wanting to raise children or at least build a life togeth
26/07/2010 10:22:35 PM
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I think those points support my argument
26/07/2010 06:16:29 PM
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