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Correct, the median age factor was also ignored Isaac Send a noteboard - 26/07/2010 07:28:19 PM
Seems everybody but me knows a lot about this book already. That does make me look a bit silly. :P


Wasn't exactly a bestseller ;)

I've never heard that pointed out actually, and it seems a *bit* exaggerated (cities in red states are far more blue than the rest of the state obviously, but usually not quite as blue as cities in blue states, sometimes not even blue enough to get local Democratic majorities in presidential voting, whereas in some blue states even the rural districts vote blue), but largely accurate, yeah.


Well here's the 2004 county map you can pick out the cities, on the other hand it looks a lot more balanced with this exact same 2004 county map with purple but it tends to indicate that state is less a factor than simply urban. Note that Helena, Montana is blue on both versions, for instance. So your assertion that blue cities in red states are less blue is, I would say, mostly true. What I mean is that, as the counties indicate, a state takes it's color more form what percent of the pop is urban than anything else. This doesn't conflict with what you're saying I think, unless I've mistook you.

Visually this may be clearer by looking also at this map of population density by county though in all cases, it is by county instead of by municipality itself, so there is an uncertainty value, color's backward of course since red is used to indicate density

I'm not sure what you're getting at here. If those red states have younger populations, that is certainly relevant to the matter at hand. But you seem to be making another argument that isn't quite clear to me.


I was primarily using old/young specifically in reference to median first marriage age but yes there is an age gap factor too, another reason I object to the article and the book, and yes I wans't particular clear on that, sorry. Maine pops in at #1 with a median population age of 40.7 and Utah bottoms at 51 with 28, Texas at #50 is 32.9, a huge gap then, which is likely a factor in this. Here is a state breakdown by median age for your perusal. The dispersal overall though doesn't appear to be massively waited toward red or blue but it is definitely there. For young marriage, bottom five and median overall age are: Utah #51, Idaho #45, Arkansas #29, Oklahoma #32, and Kansas #34, all below average, and the top 5 Massachusetts #11, New York #19, Rhode Island #11, Connecticut #8, New Jersey #15 all above the average, it doens't seem too unlikely median age by state and median age of first marriage by state are connected.

Indeed I remember, and that was pretty much what I argued at the time. IQ is a very hazy concept at the best of times, and attempts to involve in politics are most certainly not the best of times.


Yep, 'tis what I mean by ideological masturbation, not enough to believe one's ideas are right, one must show it by trying to prove the superiority of those who hold the view, an invariably bad idea considering how most people get their views :P
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