My personal definition is a man and woman wanting to raise children or at least build a life togeth
random thoughts Send a noteboard - 26/07/2010 10:22:35 PM
I have no problem with expanding that definition to include a man and man or a woman and a woman. There is apart of me the believes homosexual marriages will by and large under perform heterosexual marriages when it comes to be life long commitments built around raising children and growing old together but I am willing to admit that I have no fact to base that on so I don't believe it should be law. Yes heterosexual marriage is far from perfect but I believe there are societal and cultures pressures that help keep heterosexual marriages together that may not exist in the homosexual world. Everything I have seen and read leads me to believe that homosexuals are on average about a factor of ten more promiscuous then heterosexuals. Rampant promiscuity does typically lend itself to future long term monogamous relationships.
My experience with homosexuals is unsurprising limited but my wife’s aunt is openly lesbian and we interact with her and her friends on an occasional basis. They seem to swap partners more often then teens on high school kids. Of the small handful of gay men I have know only one was in a relationship that was over a decade old. But that is all antidotal so I am willing to accept the gay community’s assertion that they want nothing more than what heterosexuals have. I do get concerned though when you start hearing noise about further redefining a family. I am much more concerned with the level of commitment people put into marriage then who is entering it. I would not object to polygamy if it was done in a manner that did not victimize young woman (or young men for that matter since they are victimized as well even if it is in a different way). I have real concerns about the practice but again it is based on opinion.
Marriage should be two people making a life long commitment to nurture and support each other and if desired to raise children. IMHO childless marriages are missing something but that is nothing but my opinion. If that is what the gay community wants then I accept them buyt if I have to subtract from that definition to accommodate them they I oppose.
Final thoughts are that if homosexuals are going to raise children (and they are) then it makes sense to use the social pressure of marriage to keep them together. KMy atidue on gay marriage are pretty much the same as gays in the military. I have concerns but none of them large enough that I think it justifies dimishing their rights.
My experience with homosexuals is unsurprising limited but my wife’s aunt is openly lesbian and we interact with her and her friends on an occasional basis. They seem to swap partners more often then teens on high school kids. Of the small handful of gay men I have know only one was in a relationship that was over a decade old. But that is all antidotal so I am willing to accept the gay community’s assertion that they want nothing more than what heterosexuals have. I do get concerned though when you start hearing noise about further redefining a family. I am much more concerned with the level of commitment people put into marriage then who is entering it. I would not object to polygamy if it was done in a manner that did not victimize young woman (or young men for that matter since they are victimized as well even if it is in a different way). I have real concerns about the practice but again it is based on opinion.
Marriage should be two people making a life long commitment to nurture and support each other and if desired to raise children. IMHO childless marriages are missing something but that is nothing but my opinion. If that is what the gay community wants then I accept them buyt if I have to subtract from that definition to accommodate them they I oppose.
Final thoughts are that if homosexuals are going to raise children (and they are) then it makes sense to use the social pressure of marriage to keep them together. KMy atidue on gay marriage are pretty much the same as gays in the military. I have concerns but none of them large enough that I think it justifies dimishing their rights.
This message last edited by random thoughts on 26/07/2010 at 10:23:45 PM
Red Families, Blue Families, Gay Families, and the Search for a New Normal
24/07/2010 05:56:09 AM
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This guy needs an editor. "Alright" is not all right. *NM*
24/07/2010 07:44:40 AM
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Is that really all you have to say about that article?
24/07/2010 12:14:11 PM
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When I'm on my iPhone I'm limited to short snark.
24/07/2010 10:21:48 PM
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It's a shame forum posts don't have "Sent from my iPhone" at the bottom like e-mails do.
25/07/2010 12:00:12 AM
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What, so we can have the excuse for writing shitty posts?
25/07/2010 01:52:01 AM
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I understand a lot of black people oppose gay marriage.
25/07/2010 01:02:19 PM
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Two things
25/07/2010 01:43:56 PM
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You shouldn't underestimate the power of religion in Africa as well.
25/07/2010 01:51:59 PM
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BS it is culture not religion
25/07/2010 03:21:59 AM
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That's a fascinating insight, although it does set my "oversimplification" alarm bells ringing.
24/07/2010 01:02:38 PM
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I agree that it seems overly simplified
24/07/2010 03:26:13 PM
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what do you mean don't assciate red/blue with republican/democrat?
26/07/2010 04:34:18 PM
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I know, but in the context of what he's discussing...
26/07/2010 05:43:29 PM
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This is a very interesting subject. I'll link to an older article inside.
24/07/2010 05:50:47 PM
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You pre-empted one of the comments I was going to make...
25/07/2010 12:12:56 AM
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Try reading the article to which I linked in the post above yours.
25/07/2010 03:01:21 AM
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In america once you account inflation and after taxes
25/07/2010 05:16:35 AM
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Not sure what the relevance of that to my post is?
25/07/2010 10:52:29 AM
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You were saying
25/07/2010 01:38:12 PM
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My point on that topic was...
25/07/2010 01:50:19 PM
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I nor the author never said the word failure
25/07/2010 02:45:11 PM
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Okay, well, my points are there, if you ever want to react to them, feel free.
25/07/2010 04:54:21 PM
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Red/blue assumptions here are likely a mistake
25/07/2010 01:43:18 AM
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I'd be interested to see the reasons why you assert that "most people don't really like gays."
25/07/2010 01:56:30 AM
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You'd only ever get anecdotal proof
25/07/2010 02:15:54 AM
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how many people in your generation use "that is so gay" as a compliment?
26/07/2010 02:33:12 PM
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and article that uses "Red families and Blues Families" as it basis really can't be taken seriously
26/07/2010 02:59:20 PM
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I'm not disagreeing with your whole post, but two important points...
26/07/2010 04:43:55 PM
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Well, Cahn and Carbone aren't experts in the field either
26/07/2010 05:25:50 PM
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while the specific demographics discussed are certainly worth questioning...
26/07/2010 05:48:30 PM
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the study he builds his argument around is not worth questioning
26/07/2010 06:43:21 PM
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I agree with you mostly
26/07/2010 08:28:04 PM
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My personal definition is a man and woman wanting to raise children or at least build a life togeth
26/07/2010 10:22:35 PM
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