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I'm not really trying to get into a "who had it worse" argument. Joel Send a noteboard - 24/10/2010 05:02:44 PM
see many gays have police dogs set on them or people lining up to spit on gay children as they walk by? There are gay pride celebrations all of the country and they only draw a few fringe nut jobs so your argument that identification is the difference really doesn't hold. Sorry but a few is a few isolated incidents, no matter how senseless and tragic, does even begin to compare to what blacks suffered in this country.

Someone always comes out of those looking like a real ass, and usually everyone does. Still, if you compare the number of states where a black person could marry a white person ca. 1940 to the number where two gay people can marry today I think we both know which number is bigger. You don't see people spitting on gay kids because, once again, most of them don't wear shirts that say, "gay kid". Which is also why kids who aren't gay can still be persecuted for being gay to the point of suicide. It's also entirely possible that the level of brutality we, as a society, will tolerate toward our chosen pariahs is less now. Even if I were to grant that gays today are somehow "less second class citizens" than blacks 50 years ago, we're simply reduced to asking how much disenfranchisement is acceptable for law abiding Americans. For me, any level is too great; how many of YOUR rights have to be stripped before it becomes an outrage...?
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So, Ken Buck, if it's like alcoholism, does that mean they are addicted to....ummm? - 18/10/2010 04:56:45 AM 1028 Views
not everyone votes on social issues *NM* - 18/10/2010 10:43:29 AM 369 Views
you don't have to care about the issue being discussed... - 18/10/2010 01:39:15 PM 537 Views
+1 *NM* - 18/10/2010 03:22:50 PM 237 Views
so agreeing with you on this issue is a litnus test for intellgience? - 18/10/2010 03:55:01 PM 639 Views
are you assuming everyone makes good choices while voting? - 18/10/2010 04:12:53 PM 689 Views
I don't want social issues being the reason anyone gets elected - 18/10/2010 05:29:49 PM 574 Views
No, spelling "litmus" is actually a better metric there. - 19/10/2010 10:16:50 AM 689 Views
gays do not face the same plight as blacks did before civil rights - 19/10/2010 03:17:06 PM 624 Views
It's a difference in degree, not kind. - 24/10/2010 11:31:16 AM 517 Views
really? watch some civil rights protest footage - 24/10/2010 04:44:52 PM 513 Views
I'm not really trying to get into a "who had it worse" argument. - 24/10/2010 05:02:44 PM 549 Views
absolutely - 20/10/2010 03:07:55 AM 618 Views
it does seem to be valid comparison. Are you upset that he was honest? - 20/10/2010 03:14:50 PM 531 Views
really? - 21/10/2010 03:24:48 AM 592 Views
believe what you want if it makes you feel better - 21/10/2010 03:38:27 PM 474 Views
I find it depressing that someone with views like his can be a viable candidate *NM* - 18/10/2010 11:50:05 AM 305 Views
Indeed *NM* - 18/10/2010 12:07:24 PM 245 Views
I find it depressing that someone with views like his get's a lot of support - 18/10/2010 03:56:05 PM 1015 Views
Well, it's still less amazing than what Jim DeMint said in 2004 and recently confirmed... - 18/10/2010 01:32:20 PM 582 Views
I actually have more respect for a DeMint... - 18/10/2010 01:46:19 PM 591 Views

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