Of course that's not Christmas at all, and of course I don't approve. It's not a flaw in Christmas itself, and in that respect I'm with Palatine, but saying that you hate all the non, or rather, un-Christian material things now associated with Christmas is one thing, and saying that you're merely apathetic about the rest is quite another. That really is washing your hands of Christmas entirely, which I understood to be his intent, and I can't really endorse that either.
You can't endorse atheism? If so, I get that. If you're saying atheism is somehow wrong during this time of year, I don't get that.
I took you, perhaps wrongly, to mean you were washing your hands of Christmas completely: The un-Christian elements are actively unwelcome, and the Christian ones simply irrelevant, but everything about the season falls into one category or the other and you seemed to be expressing distaste for both. I'm not a big fan of atheism, but I don't begrudge it its place in the market place of ideas. I also don't mind if people are categorically disgusted by Christmas traditions legitimate and otherwise and want no part of them. What I take issue with is the need to seize Christmas as an opportunity to premptively TELL everyone who does enjoy the holiday how offensive it is and how much better cynical sulking is than all that ridiciulous Pollyanna "brotherly love" crap that so nauseates them. I'm not one of the people so worried that an inoffensive ecumenical "Happy Holidays" will somehow dilute or diminish Christmas and render it less merry. Yet I am weary of folks both refusing to be merry, happy or anything else, ESPECIALLY during Christmas, AND resenting any suggestion we interrupt our miserable hatefulness with a week or two of human decency.
And actually, my intent is more precisely that we shouldn't need holidays to remind us to be good. I understand that we do and probably always will, but we shouldn't, in my opinion.
No, we shouldn't but, again, that we do is a fault that lies not in Christmas but in ourselves. Which, if I'm not mistaken, is one of the core messages of Christmas that has very much to do with Jesus Christ. If you're arguing we should treat each other with respect and compassion every day instead of just at Christmas I agree wholeheartedly, but if you're arguing we should stop kidding ourselves and be SOBs year 'round, may I suggest you establish a holiday for that around mid-April and leave Christmas to people who enjoy it.

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Last First in wotmania Chat
Slightly better than chocolate.
Love still can't be coerced.
Please Don't Eat the Newbies!

LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
For the record: Bah, Humbug!
22/12/2010 05:42:47 AM
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Does that include this post...?
22/12/2010 07:13:31 AM
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Re: Does that include this post...?
22/12/2010 05:30:50 PM
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So that would be a "no" then.
22/12/2010 05:52:01 PM
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No, I hate my post, too.
23/12/2010 05:08:46 PM
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Well, at least you're consistent.
23/12/2010 08:49:34 PM
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I'm sick and tired of Ebenezer Scrooge being continuously slandered!
22/12/2010 07:38:18 AM
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I'm open to suggestions.
22/12/2010 05:33:26 PM
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Burgermeister Meisterburger. *NM*
22/12/2010 10:52:18 PM
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I reject that one. *NM*
23/12/2010 05:09:55 PM
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Funny, it seems like a perfect fit... *NM*
23/12/2010 06:52:21 PM
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How, exactly? *NM*
24/12/2010 05:11:05 PM
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Um, he disliked all things Christmas?
24/12/2010 05:20:41 PM
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Ah. I've never heard of this fellow. That's why I asked. So, where do I find him? *NM*
25/12/2010 05:13:53 PM
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The classic Rankin/Bass Christmas Special "Santa Claus Is Comin' To Town."
26/12/2010 06:59:26 AM
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Presumably he dropped the "bah, humbug".
22/12/2010 05:46:39 PM
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Re: Presumably he dropped the "bah, humbug".
22/12/2010 09:03:05 PM
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That's a reason to reclaim Christmas, not disown it.
23/12/2010 08:31:07 PM
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Do I understand you correctly?
24/12/2010 05:17:03 PM
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Not quite.
25/12/2010 06:16:21 PM
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Humbugs? yes please
22/12/2010 09:19:53 PM
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Meh.
23/12/2010 08:51:23 PM
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Meh
27/12/2010 09:13:58 PM
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What, you'd rather it remained a Bronze Age pagan fertility rite?
27/12/2010 11:17:09 PM
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That's kinda funny because Christ wasn't born in December. Good one! *NM*
23/12/2010 01:53:37 AM
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Thanks, everyone (especially Joel) for letting me use you to light this post on fire.
26/12/2010 06:23:44 PM
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