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Yes it's going out of control Skeeve the Great Send a noteboard - 16/04/2011 11:17:59 PM
As you can see, the projected grows in Medicaid and Medicare spending are in line with total health care spending. No jumps, no rapid changes. Will we see increase? Yes. Will we see increase in revenue? Yes. Will percentage of participants of both programs grow? Unsure. Remember that under these programs we are covering children, retired, poor and less fortunate as well. If we cut the programs, they poor will remain poor and less fortunate will remain less fortunate. The children won't be covered so that means more sick adults will eventually join the ranks of working force. Since we are cutting (under GOP proposals) environmental regulations, working conditions regulations, etc, it's likely that we'll get more sick and injured people as well. So yes, if we do this, the percentage of both programs participants may grow substantially and we will face the crisis.

Yes, your health care spending as a whole is spiraling out of control, not merely Medicaid and Medicare. Not sure what your point is there... and not sure how you can take those links you provide as evidence that that spending does not need to be reined in, either. See those graphs of total health care spending hitting 30% of GDP in 25 years time, and 50% in 70 years? That is a rather large problem looming there, and it will have to be dealt with one way or another, as I said. Of course if the US just had a European-style nationalized health-care system its problems would be far smaller, but it doesn't, and I'm not sure it's even possible to transition towards that; it certainly wouldn't be easy or cheap.


I'm not sure where I said that we don't need to rein it the health care costs. We certainly do. And the first step in my mind is we need to limit private insurance bureaucracy which is much more ineffective than governments. Personally, I prefer single-payer system and having system that bets on people lives is immoral and wrong.

My point was that we need to fix rising health care costs, instead of cutting Medicare and Medicaid. If we do this, then Medicare and Medicaid will be fixed automatically.

in health care spending really is not going to translate to "let's stop giving health insurance to children", and deregulation isn't going to return working conditions to those of the nineteenth century, as you seem to think.


With the state of the current GOP I'm not sure you are right. Look around you! They want "their" country back! Do you follow how they are doing it in the states? For example, Mississippi, 46% plurality of registered Republican voters said they thought interracial marriage was not just wrong, but that it should be illegal. WI, MI, OH - all try to end rights for collective bargain agreements. Almost all southern states try to eliminate women right to choose about their own health care. And list go on. Am convinced that if they start on reining Medicare and Medicaid it will be translated to "stop giving health insurance to children" and good working conditions definitely will go down the drain.
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Several basics facts about US Debt and Spending..... - 16/04/2011 04:41:55 AM 1073 Views
Well ... at least we've been here before ... ? - 16/04/2011 06:41:00 AM 591 Views
Guess we should have okay'd those death panels for old people then. Big money saver. *NM* - 16/04/2011 03:38:00 PM 304 Views
Yeah, those old people are draining the system..... - 16/04/2011 06:57:59 PM 569 Views
You're already worse off than much of Europe, honestly. - 16/04/2011 04:08:37 PM 710 Views
Re: You're already worse off than much of Europe, honestly. - 17/04/2011 01:33:31 AM 678 Views
Balancing our budget would be easy. - 16/04/2011 06:46:32 PM 529 Views
Also on the buying drugs from Canada idea - 16/04/2011 08:17:26 PM 636 Views
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Re: Also on the buying drugs from Canada idea - 18/04/2011 05:16:14 PM 842 Views
Funny you mentioned WWII and 1968. Can you put tax rates at these times as well? - 16/04/2011 07:50:09 PM 1015 Views
Not really. Even if you can substantially raise tax revenue, the entitlement problem remains. *NM* - 16/04/2011 08:25:26 PM 264 Views
Re: Not really. Even if you can substantially raise tax revenue, the entitlement problem remains. - 16/04/2011 09:19:40 PM 674 Views
Have you ever looked at those projections for a decade or two hence? - 16/04/2011 10:13:12 PM 618 Views
Yes I have - 16/04/2011 10:44:50 PM 748 Views
Erm, and you think total health care spending is not getting out of control? I'm a little confused. - 16/04/2011 11:02:52 PM 674 Views
Yes it's going out of control - 16/04/2011 11:17:59 PM 614 Views
Good, we agree on that much then. - 17/04/2011 09:59:17 AM 609 Views
Sorry, but that is a stupid opinion..... - 16/04/2011 08:38:35 PM 583 Views
Sounds like another bull. - 16/04/2011 09:31:05 PM 851 Views
Dude, the data is the data.....tax revenue increased all three times. - 16/04/2011 09:47:37 PM 782 Views
As I suspected, it's a bull. - 16/04/2011 10:02:05 PM 726 Views
Stop being a fool - read and react to the data provided, posting something..... - 16/04/2011 10:14:11 PM 489 Views
Response is - 16/04/2011 10:19:00 PM 706 Views
Good lord.....it's like talking to a brick. I really hope you are 12 or 13. - 16/04/2011 10:28:44 PM 705 Views
Re: Good lord.....it's like talking to a brick. I really hope you are 12 or 13. - 16/04/2011 10:47:24 PM 664 Views
I take it you mean "rate of revenue growth decreases". - 16/04/2011 11:11:19 PM 557 Views
Re: I take it you mean "rate of revenue growth decreases". - 16/04/2011 11:26:02 PM 701 Views
Additional point - 16/04/2011 11:37:17 PM 705 Views
I've just noticed that you've provided charts from Heritage Foundation! Are you f.. kidding me? - 16/04/2011 10:13:46 PM 582 Views
All the data is via CBO - do you know that the CBO is? - 16/04/2011 10:16:08 PM 589 Views
Re: All the data is via CBO - do you know that the CBO is? - 16/04/2011 10:27:01 PM 709 Views
Nice try.....care to explain why the same exact thing happened..... - 16/04/2011 10:35:44 PM 523 Views
Re: Nice try.....care to explain why the same exact thing happened..... - 16/04/2011 10:49:33 PM 650 Views
Krugman is a shill for the Obama administration. - 17/04/2011 02:34:50 AM 531 Views
Re: Krugman is a shill for the Obama administration. - 17/04/2011 03:50:24 AM 752 Views
Some obesrvations by Republican economists - 18/04/2011 12:27:04 AM 878 Views
You mean the Keynesian economist who wrote The Failure of Reaganomics - 18/04/2011 04:00:52 PM 527 Views
Re: You mean the Keynesian economist who wrote The Failure of Reaganomics - 18/04/2011 05:36:44 PM 504 Views
Useless fact about our presidents since 1945. - 17/04/2011 09:20:16 PM 713 Views
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