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EDIT: Wait, I get it now; you're just trolling me. Joel Send a noteboard - 15/07/2011 04:14:00 PM
First of all, just last fall Republicans demanded we keep Bushs decade old tax cuts for EVERYONE rather than removing them for people making >$250,000/year. In other words, REPUBLICANS extended tax cuts Democrats tried to remove, and the deficit was irrelevant then. Saying Dems extended the tax cuts is like saying Pearl Harbor attacked Japan. It also ignores the fact that every commentator on these debates says we're talking about closing loopholes, not raising actual tax rates.
call me cynical but I think the dems are just playing partisan politics.

You're accusing them of doing something you, me and the world well know Republicans did over their objections; THAT'S partisan politics.

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Debt Ceiling Debacle: Are Republican Leaders Spinelessly Selfish, or Cluelessly Selfish? Joel - 14/07/2011 04:57:30 PM 925 Views
funny how people only believe polls that say what they want to hear random thoughts - 14/07/2011 06:08:21 PM 470 Views
Actually, I believe the polls regularly showing Romney ahead of Obama now. Joel - 14/07/2011 09:30:01 PM 653 Views
watch out you almost made rational argument there random thoughts - 15/07/2011 02:47:02 PM 513 Views
Watch out, you completely ignored my arguments there. Joel - 15/07/2011 04:20:44 PM 627 Views
Didn't Obama sign the tax cuts we are operating under now? He deserves some credit for that random thoughts - 15/07/2011 07:16:14 PM 610 Views
Actually, I agree; granting the Republicans demands does make him partly culpable. Joel - 15/07/2011 09:33:50 PM 527 Views
I have yet to hear anything about any actual proposal Tom - 14/07/2011 06:23:16 PM 476 Views
*heh* Good point. I haven't read of any details. Jeordam - 14/07/2011 06:57:04 PM 412 Views
I think you have to be there to get a detailed spreadsheet, but the general terms are known. Joel - 14/07/2011 08:36:39 PM 711 Views
Your entire response is lacking actual answers. Tom - 15/07/2011 03:42:04 AM 660 Views
There were answers, just very general ones; the specifics aren't being publicly released. Joel - 15/07/2011 04:19:47 AM 605 Views
That kind of headline doesn't really help, you know? AliasRY - 14/07/2011 06:33:43 PM 570 Views
I second this. Definitely need less antagonism *NM* LadyLorraine - 14/07/2011 07:36:54 PM 203 Views
I admit I too readily meet antagonism with antagonism these days. Joel - 14/07/2011 09:56:45 PM 415 Views
"I have no idea what we're talking about, but my opinion is important anyway!" Dreaded Anomaly - 14/07/2011 09:03:10 PM 571 Views
just because you believe the silly rhetoric doens't mean it isn't rhetoric *NM* random thoughts - 14/07/2011 09:27:08 PM 176 Views
Rhetoric can be right or wrong, but it's still rhetoric. *NM* AliasRY - 14/07/2011 09:56:32 PM 286 Views
I can't think of anything else to call it. Joel - 14/07/2011 09:17:42 PM 612 Views
I just think that you could have said all that in a much more less antagonistic way. AliasRY - 14/07/2011 10:16:49 PM 604 Views
I do see your point, but it often takes a shock for people to question reflexive views. Joel - 14/07/2011 10:53:07 PM 557 Views
there's a difference between shock and antagonism LadyLorraine - 14/07/2011 11:43:20 PM 457 Views
Fair enough. Joel - 15/07/2011 12:27:44 AM 627 Views
it is selfish to demand tax increases to allow needed spending reductions *NM* random thoughts - 15/07/2011 02:48:11 PM 326 Views
It's shamefully selfish to demand others sacrifice their existence for your luxury. Joel - 15/07/2011 04:14:04 PM 438 Views
that woulkd be shameful thank god it isnothing but rhetoric *NM* random thoughts - 15/07/2011 07:17:44 PM 207 Views
It's the simple sad truth. Joel - 15/07/2011 09:36:34 PM 374 Views
so defalting for tax increases is OK? random thoughts - 18/07/2011 04:28:34 PM 446 Views
No, tax increases to PREVENT a default is OK. Joel - 18/07/2011 06:36:15 PM 539 Views
so if it was your family you'd only cut expenses and not find a way to make extra income? moondog - 15/07/2011 07:45:21 PM 474 Views
if you think silly comparison to family budget are valid then you need to ask yourself that question *NM* random thoughts - 17/07/2011 06:51:06 PM 189 Views
And you haven't even gotten into the cries for a "balanced budget amendment." Dreaded Anomaly - 14/07/2011 09:17:04 PM 420 Views
Can't go wrong with fuzzy math; look at all it's done for us! Joel - 14/07/2011 09:27:01 PM 692 Views
I think they're doing exactly what the people who paid to put them into office are expecting them to Nebhead - 14/07/2011 09:23:45 PM 456 Views
Sadly, that's so, I just keep expecting them to put the countrys survival ahead of greed. Joel - 14/07/2011 09:38:14 PM 651 Views
You know, if I pretended like I didn't have a family to support, I'd say, "Fuck it. Default." Tom - 15/07/2011 03:50:30 AM 431 Views
Maybe you can't be that cavalier, but the House majority clearly can. Joel - 15/07/2011 04:56:03 AM 626 Views
these are the same tax increases that were extended by the dems random thoughts - 15/07/2011 02:49:35 PM 470 Views
EDIT: Wait, I get it now; you're just trolling me. Joel - 15/07/2011 04:14:00 PM 713 Views
no I am just pointing out simple facts but your partisan blinders refuse to allow you to see them random thoughts - 15/07/2011 07:22:03 PM 505 Views
Republicans didn't just "support" tax cuts: They demanded them then and won't relinquish them now. Joel - 15/07/2011 09:58:37 PM 643 Views
Obama signed it and the dems passed it random thoughts - 18/07/2011 04:29:50 PM 455 Views
Correct, and precisely the point. Joel - 18/07/2011 06:36:09 PM 455 Views
Did the Mitch McConnel thing remind anyone else of Jar Jar Binks appearing before the Senate... TaskmasterJack - 15/07/2011 07:38:52 AM 526 Views
It probably would have if I didn't do everything I could to avoid thinking of Jar Jar Binks *NM* Isaac - 15/07/2011 11:20:09 AM 221 Views
Well said. *NM* Macharius - 15/07/2011 01:46:46 PM 206 Views
Pretty much everyone in the Tea Party, I think. Joel - 15/07/2011 04:45:08 PM 466 Views
obama needs to learn when to STFU sometimes moondog - 15/07/2011 08:14:29 PM 497 Views
And make policy. Joel - 15/07/2011 10:08:50 PM 612 Views
Clueless only in the sense that they aren't heeding the signals of their owners. Vodalus - 17/07/2011 06:46:42 AM 671 Views
Coaches have to do things fans dislike to win games, or get fired anyway when they lose. Joel - 17/07/2011 04:11:38 PM 668 Views
Here's to hoping I'm wrong. Vodalus - 18/07/2011 08:46:13 AM 609 Views
I was all set to argue, then I read the other new responses. Joel - 18/07/2011 06:36:05 PM 610 Views
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