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Clueless only in the sense that they aren't heeding the signals of their owners. Vodalus Send a noteboard - 17/07/2011 06:46:42 AM
To say that American politics is little more than political theater is something of an undeserved compliment. It's more like a pro-am sport with a shot of lame reality TV thrown in to achieve the LCD. It's the red team versus the blue team in a never-ending game*, complete with rabid fans for both teams and a military band playing during the half-time show. Beer and crap food for a nominal amount; legs and jiggling boobs are on the house. The mindless crowd focuses on the score, the spectacle. The owners of the teams know which numbers really count.

* It will end in a decade or so - in national insolvency. It's pretty much inevitable.
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Debt Ceiling Debacle: Are Republican Leaders Spinelessly Selfish, or Cluelessly Selfish? Joel - 14/07/2011 04:57:30 PM 952 Views
funny how people only believe polls that say what they want to hear random thoughts - 14/07/2011 06:08:21 PM 486 Views
Actually, I believe the polls regularly showing Romney ahead of Obama now. Joel - 14/07/2011 09:30:01 PM 671 Views
watch out you almost made rational argument there random thoughts - 15/07/2011 02:47:02 PM 530 Views
Watch out, you completely ignored my arguments there. Joel - 15/07/2011 04:20:44 PM 646 Views
Didn't Obama sign the tax cuts we are operating under now? He deserves some credit for that random thoughts - 15/07/2011 07:16:14 PM 625 Views
Actually, I agree; granting the Republicans demands does make him partly culpable. Joel - 15/07/2011 09:33:50 PM 566 Views
I have yet to hear anything about any actual proposal Tom - 14/07/2011 06:23:16 PM 493 Views
*heh* Good point. I haven't read of any details. Jeordam - 14/07/2011 06:57:04 PM 429 Views
I think you have to be there to get a detailed spreadsheet, but the general terms are known. Joel - 14/07/2011 08:36:39 PM 742 Views
Your entire response is lacking actual answers. Tom - 15/07/2011 03:42:04 AM 675 Views
There were answers, just very general ones; the specifics aren't being publicly released. Joel - 15/07/2011 04:19:47 AM 622 Views
That kind of headline doesn't really help, you know? AliasRY - 14/07/2011 06:33:43 PM 592 Views
I second this. Definitely need less antagonism *NM* LadyLorraine - 14/07/2011 07:36:54 PM 211 Views
I admit I too readily meet antagonism with antagonism these days. Joel - 14/07/2011 09:56:45 PM 435 Views
"I have no idea what we're talking about, but my opinion is important anyway!" Dreaded Anomaly - 14/07/2011 09:03:10 PM 585 Views
just because you believe the silly rhetoric doens't mean it isn't rhetoric *NM* random thoughts - 14/07/2011 09:27:08 PM 182 Views
Rhetoric can be right or wrong, but it's still rhetoric. *NM* AliasRY - 14/07/2011 09:56:32 PM 296 Views
I can't think of anything else to call it. Joel - 14/07/2011 09:17:42 PM 629 Views
I just think that you could have said all that in a much more less antagonistic way. AliasRY - 14/07/2011 10:16:49 PM 621 Views
I do see your point, but it often takes a shock for people to question reflexive views. Joel - 14/07/2011 10:53:07 PM 585 Views
there's a difference between shock and antagonism LadyLorraine - 14/07/2011 11:43:20 PM 469 Views
Fair enough. Joel - 15/07/2011 12:27:44 AM 643 Views
it is selfish to demand tax increases to allow needed spending reductions *NM* random thoughts - 15/07/2011 02:48:11 PM 333 Views
It's shamefully selfish to demand others sacrifice their existence for your luxury. Joel - 15/07/2011 04:14:04 PM 458 Views
that woulkd be shameful thank god it isnothing but rhetoric *NM* random thoughts - 15/07/2011 07:17:44 PM 213 Views
It's the simple sad truth. Joel - 15/07/2011 09:36:34 PM 391 Views
so defalting for tax increases is OK? random thoughts - 18/07/2011 04:28:34 PM 461 Views
No, tax increases to PREVENT a default is OK. Joel - 18/07/2011 06:36:15 PM 559 Views
so if it was your family you'd only cut expenses and not find a way to make extra income? moondog - 15/07/2011 07:45:21 PM 487 Views
if you think silly comparison to family budget are valid then you need to ask yourself that question *NM* random thoughts - 17/07/2011 06:51:06 PM 194 Views
And you haven't even gotten into the cries for a "balanced budget amendment." Dreaded Anomaly - 14/07/2011 09:17:04 PM 436 Views
Can't go wrong with fuzzy math; look at all it's done for us! Joel - 14/07/2011 09:27:01 PM 723 Views
I think they're doing exactly what the people who paid to put them into office are expecting them to Nebhead - 14/07/2011 09:23:45 PM 475 Views
Sadly, that's so, I just keep expecting them to put the countrys survival ahead of greed. Joel - 14/07/2011 09:38:14 PM 668 Views
You know, if I pretended like I didn't have a family to support, I'd say, "Fuck it. Default." Tom - 15/07/2011 03:50:30 AM 446 Views
Maybe you can't be that cavalier, but the House majority clearly can. Joel - 15/07/2011 04:56:03 AM 642 Views
these are the same tax increases that were extended by the dems random thoughts - 15/07/2011 02:49:35 PM 483 Views
EDIT: Wait, I get it now; you're just trolling me. Joel - 15/07/2011 04:14:00 PM 731 Views
no I am just pointing out simple facts but your partisan blinders refuse to allow you to see them random thoughts - 15/07/2011 07:22:03 PM 521 Views
Republicans didn't just "support" tax cuts: They demanded them then and won't relinquish them now. Joel - 15/07/2011 09:58:37 PM 658 Views
Obama signed it and the dems passed it random thoughts - 18/07/2011 04:29:50 PM 470 Views
Correct, and precisely the point. Joel - 18/07/2011 06:36:09 PM 473 Views
Did the Mitch McConnel thing remind anyone else of Jar Jar Binks appearing before the Senate... TaskmasterJack - 15/07/2011 07:38:52 AM 541 Views
It probably would have if I didn't do everything I could to avoid thinking of Jar Jar Binks *NM* Isaac - 15/07/2011 11:20:09 AM 226 Views
Well said. *NM* Macharius - 15/07/2011 01:46:46 PM 214 Views
Pretty much everyone in the Tea Party, I think. Joel - 15/07/2011 04:45:08 PM 484 Views
obama needs to learn when to STFU sometimes moondog - 15/07/2011 08:14:29 PM 513 Views
And make policy. Joel - 15/07/2011 10:08:50 PM 637 Views
Clueless only in the sense that they aren't heeding the signals of their owners. Vodalus - 17/07/2011 06:46:42 AM 687 Views
Coaches have to do things fans dislike to win games, or get fired anyway when they lose. Joel - 17/07/2011 04:11:38 PM 695 Views
Here's to hoping I'm wrong. Vodalus - 18/07/2011 08:46:13 AM 626 Views
I was all set to argue, then I read the other new responses. Joel - 18/07/2011 06:36:05 PM 629 Views
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