Another of many nice attempts to turn the issue around; guess that avoids the need for effective policy (as long as you don't mind the country collapsing while you deny its problems). If you want it in those terms, the spending cuts on the table would only prevent a default TODAY; the deficit will remain and a future default will still be coming. Again, that's the point: Dems must (and HAVE) put aside their bases attachment to current entitlements and Republicans must put aside their bases attachment to current taxes or the country goes bankrupt. Simple as that.
Dems get SOME of what they want (tax increases), Republicans get SOME of what they want (entitlement cuts) and the COUNTRY balances its budget, eliminates its deficit and begins reducing and ultimately eliminating its debt. Dems made MAJOR concessions long ago; raising Medicares retirement age and reducing the SS COLA are VERY unpopular with the Democratic base, much of which will suffer real hardships as a result. Not "I only got a three week Bahamian vacation this year instead of a month.
" hardships, but "this cat food tastes powdery" hardships. That's why Obama had to twist Pelosi and Reids arms to get their agreement. Dems understandably LOATHE those cuts--but accepted them anyway because they're NECESSARY for the countrys survival. In exchange, Republicans offer: NOTHING. Their well heeled base will sacrifice nothing to balance the budget, because they think they can force Americas neediest citizens to bear the burden alone. That's absurd and won't happen.
Attempts to pass the buck won't change any numbers; not the balance sheet, not the Congressional vote and not the 2012 election (Republicans are slitting their own throats there, but they're slitting their own throats along with everyone elses on the deficit). You can't turn this around (nice try though) and say, "Dems insist on all their demands with no concessions, too!" because it's simply not true. You know that as well as I do so, again, this is no time to indulge fact denying rhetoric to opt out of sacrifices the rest of America is bearing by necessity. Insisting on tax cuts for those who need them least despite the deficit (as Republicans did in 2001 and have continued doing as recently as six months ago) is selfish, irresponsible and delusional; if you want "childish petulance", there it is. You can't have everything you want without giving up anything; that's the kind of infantile thinking that put us in this mess, and it's past time the GOP grew up--like the rest of the country already has.
because it is just fair that the dems get what they are demanding? If that is true maybe defaulting is not as big deal as we thought. Such weak thinking is the reason liberals can't be allowed to run things even when they have noble goals. As a group they seem to be to small minded to even understand there is another side.
Dems get SOME of what they want (tax increases), Republicans get SOME of what they want (entitlement cuts) and the COUNTRY balances its budget, eliminates its deficit and begins reducing and ultimately eliminating its debt. Dems made MAJOR concessions long ago; raising Medicares retirement age and reducing the SS COLA are VERY unpopular with the Democratic base, much of which will suffer real hardships as a result. Not "I only got a three week Bahamian vacation this year instead of a month.
" hardships, but "this cat food tastes powdery" hardships. That's why Obama had to twist Pelosi and Reids arms to get their agreement. Dems understandably LOATHE those cuts--but accepted them anyway because they're NECESSARY for the countrys survival. In exchange, Republicans offer: NOTHING. Their well heeled base will sacrifice nothing to balance the budget, because they think they can force Americas neediest citizens to bear the burden alone. That's absurd and won't happen. Attempts to pass the buck won't change any numbers; not the balance sheet, not the Congressional vote and not the 2012 election (Republicans are slitting their own throats there, but they're slitting their own throats along with everyone elses on the deficit). You can't turn this around (nice try though) and say, "Dems insist on all their demands with no concessions, too!" because it's simply not true. You know that as well as I do so, again, this is no time to indulge fact denying rhetoric to opt out of sacrifices the rest of America is bearing by necessity. Insisting on tax cuts for those who need them least despite the deficit (as Republicans did in 2001 and have continued doing as recently as six months ago) is selfish, irresponsible and delusional; if you want "childish petulance", there it is. You can't have everything you want without giving up anything; that's the kind of infantile thinking that put us in this mess, and it's past time the GOP grew up--like the rest of the country already has.
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Debt Ceiling Debacle: Are Republican Leaders Spinelessly Selfish, or Cluelessly Selfish?
- 14/07/2011 04:57:30 PM
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funny how people only believe polls that say what they want to hear
- 14/07/2011 06:08:21 PM
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Actually, I believe the polls regularly showing Romney ahead of Obama now.
- 14/07/2011 09:30:01 PM
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watch out you almost made rational argument there
- 15/07/2011 02:47:02 PM
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Watch out, you completely ignored my arguments there.
- 15/07/2011 04:20:44 PM
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Didn't Obama sign the tax cuts we are operating under now? He deserves some credit for that
- 15/07/2011 07:16:14 PM
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Actually, I agree; granting the Republicans demands does make him partly culpable.
- 15/07/2011 09:33:50 PM
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I have yet to hear anything about any actual proposal
- 14/07/2011 06:23:16 PM
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I think you have to be there to get a detailed spreadsheet, but the general terms are known.
- 14/07/2011 08:36:39 PM
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Your entire response is lacking actual answers.
- 15/07/2011 03:42:04 AM
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There were answers, just very general ones; the specifics aren't being publicly released.
- 15/07/2011 04:19:47 AM
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That kind of headline doesn't really help, you know?
- 14/07/2011 06:33:43 PM
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I second this. Definitely need less antagonism *NM*
- 14/07/2011 07:36:54 PM
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I admit I too readily meet antagonism with antagonism these days.
- 14/07/2011 09:56:45 PM
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"I have no idea what we're talking about, but my opinion is important anyway!"
- 14/07/2011 09:03:10 PM
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just because you believe the silly rhetoric doens't mean it isn't rhetoric *NM*
- 14/07/2011 09:27:08 PM
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I can't think of anything else to call it.
- 14/07/2011 09:17:42 PM
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I just think that you could have said all that in a much more less antagonistic way.
- 14/07/2011 10:16:49 PM
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I do see your point, but it often takes a shock for people to question reflexive views.
- 14/07/2011 10:53:07 PM
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it is selfish to demand tax increases to allow needed spending reductions *NM*
- 15/07/2011 02:48:11 PM
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It's shamefully selfish to demand others sacrifice their existence for your luxury.
- 15/07/2011 04:14:04 PM
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that woulkd be shameful thank god it isnothing but rhetoric *NM*
- 15/07/2011 07:17:44 PM
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It's the simple sad truth.
- 15/07/2011 09:36:34 PM
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so defalting for tax increases is OK?
- 18/07/2011 04:28:34 PM
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No, tax increases to PREVENT a default is OK.
- 18/07/2011 06:36:15 PM
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so if it was your family you'd only cut expenses and not find a way to make extra income?
- 15/07/2011 07:45:21 PM
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if you think silly comparison to family budget are valid then you need to ask yourself that question *NM*
- 17/07/2011 06:51:06 PM
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And you haven't even gotten into the cries for a "balanced budget amendment."
- 14/07/2011 09:17:04 PM
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I think they're doing exactly what the people who paid to put them into office are expecting them to
- 14/07/2011 09:23:45 PM
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Sadly, that's so, I just keep expecting them to put the countrys survival ahead of greed.
- 14/07/2011 09:38:14 PM
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You know, if I pretended like I didn't have a family to support, I'd say, "Fuck it. Default."
- 15/07/2011 03:50:30 AM
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Maybe you can't be that cavalier, but the House majority clearly can.
- 15/07/2011 04:56:03 AM
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these are the same tax increases that were extended by the dems
- 15/07/2011 02:49:35 PM
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EDIT: Wait, I get it now; you're just trolling me.
- 15/07/2011 04:14:00 PM
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- 15/07/2011 04:14:00 PM
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no I am just pointing out simple facts but your partisan blinders refuse to allow you to see them
- 15/07/2011 07:22:03 PM
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Republicans didn't just "support" tax cuts: They demanded them then and won't relinquish them now.
- 15/07/2011 09:58:37 PM
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Did the Mitch McConnel thing remind anyone else of Jar Jar Binks appearing before the Senate...
- 15/07/2011 07:38:52 AM
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It probably would have if I didn't do everything I could to avoid thinking of Jar Jar Binks *NM*
- 15/07/2011 11:20:09 AM
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Clueless only in the sense that they aren't heeding the signals of their owners.
- 17/07/2011 06:46:42 AM
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Coaches have to do things fans dislike to win games, or get fired anyway when they lose.
- 17/07/2011 04:11:38 PM
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*NM*