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It's rather difficult to cram a fission reactor into a car Isaac Send a noteboard - 22/10/2011 05:10:23 AM
From the standpoint of an escape from the long predicted specter of Peak Oil and an inevitable energy crisis that would be a Luddite dream, it makes sense (though fission still makes a lot MORE sense, IMHO.) Obviously I would love to see a cheap abundant energy source that allowed America to evacuate and ignore the Mid-East without going back to literal horsepower, and if magnetic algae help us achieve that goal I am all for it. In that respect, this development is a strong positive if it can be verified and cheaply reproduced.

I just fail to grasp the love so many environmentalists have for things like biodiesel and ethanol (or in this case, algae) because it seems more like a means of CO2 neutrality rather than reduction. It is much like the old "carbon sequestration" scheme: It is a zero sum game that simply cycles CO2 from the atmosphere into biomass and back again without changing the overall quantity present in the atmosphere at any given time. This is definitely an "alternative" energy in the sense of not being fossil fuels, but will not end CO2 emissions any more than "clean burning" natural gas; that is simply not how hydrocarbon chemistry works. It may save our living standards and industry, and obviate the need for at least some geopolitical games, and that would be a wonderful thing, but the people who talk about it "saving the planet" leave me scratching my head.


If we went dead neutral on carbon tomorrow the carbon level would slowly drop back to whatever it's stable point is, or you could slowly manually reduce it through sequestering, 'biofuels' being a somewhat loose term for anything that basically absorbs in production the cabron it releases in burning at a turnover rate of months rather than geological epochs, if you're sequestering carbon by burning carbon neutral fuel you end up with less atmospheric CO2... not really my interest though. This is noteworthy primarily because even with fission or fusion or solar or wind you have difficulty storing the energy for mobile applications and even the best new battery designs tend to have fewer J/kg then crap fuels like Ethanol, such that the mass of the batteries, even if you lost nothing in charging them and keeping them charged, can represent a massive loss of efficiency. Insofar as fossil fuels are a limited commodity we need something to replace them that represents an optimum of $/kg and J/kg, right now fossil fuels run us around $1/kg and 47 Mj/kg, around 8 cents a kWh... ideally we need something better or parallel as a portable power source, currently biofuels are the only things seriously on the radar for that, we can have a lower J/kg for most applications... most peoples gas tanks when full weigh in at under 10% of vehicle mass and you'd lose little efficiency (especially as vehicle mileage is not linear to mass) by doubling the fuel mass for the same mileage so where biofuels are concerned for cars it's almost all about $/J or $/kwH or $/Mj... what's advantageous, especially to the US which has much coastline and saltwater but relatively little seawater food production, is that algae is not using land we might want to put crops, houses, trees, or solar/wind stuff on thus minimizing the extra costs from competing resource production... now, if 30% of their costs are effectively eliminated by this techniques, that would mean a theoretical 130 MJ of biofuel (a gallon of gas), if it were currently selling for $5, would suddenly be selling for about $3.33... presumably that would be good, assuming of course the $5 figure was 'real' and not a subsidy figure with a real cost of $8 of course.

Now in theory, if we got ourselves some stationary cheap fuel - nuclear or good solar - one could further ramp up production of something like algae by growing it in massive underground cisterns artificially lit to maximize biomass/volume production under pure red LED light. Even if we had some gigantic fusion reactor, barring batteries that are truly superior to chemical fuels in all important aspects you might see huge underground cisterns laced with red LED lights and some algae like this for spewing out fuel, even if the ultimate efficiency of the process resulted in only 10% of the juice from the reactor being available to the end fuel. It's all economics, least cost for energy, this cheapens harvesting, if you look at man hours for calories of wheat vs strawberries for instance, labor is whole orders of magnitude higher for calorie and that's why a pint of strawberries ~ 700 kcal for a couple bucks versus a pint of flour ~ 900 kcal at about 50 cents, and both have much of their cost being transport and storage. This dynamic, along with cal/acre, is the major feature of human diets over the centuries and the same applies to fuels.
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This message last edited by Isaac on 22/10/2011 at 05:22:04 AM
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Interesting new Biofuel innovation: Magnetic Algae - 22/10/2011 03:05:13 AM 399 Views
I must be missing something with biofuel, though this certainly sounds like good news for it. - 22/10/2011 04:41:17 AM 199 Views
It's rather difficult to cram a fission reactor into a car - 22/10/2011 05:10:23 AM 188 Views
If the batteries are that bulky then, yeah, biomass or something similar is appealing. - 22/10/2011 07:15:22 AM 278 Views
We're constrained by what economics and tech permit - 22/10/2011 08:09:22 AM 180 Views
And physics, always physics. - 22/10/2011 08:34:07 AM 224 Views
And scale... scale is important too - 22/10/2011 01:40:18 PM 160 Views
Forget Biofuel. When do we start making magnetic people! - 22/10/2011 07:43:43 AM 163 Views
One would have problems imagining why - 22/10/2011 08:09:55 AM 178 Views
Except during the middle of the day, you can usually use the sun. - 22/10/2011 08:36:54 AM 188 Views
Uh... have you ever tried to navigate by the sun? - 22/10/2011 09:05:40 PM 168 Views
Frequently, hence the comment. - 23/10/2011 09:35:31 AM 249 Views

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