Ideally. - Edit 1
Before modification by Joel at 10/01/2012 02:57:43 PM
But remember: We are ignoring off the field behavior, and focusing solely on what happens on the field. On the field, I will always take what Tebow did Sunday with second year receivers and linemen over what Roethlisberger did against the two rookies we had helping Champ in our secondary. 15 YPA? 30 yards per catch? Those are freakish numbers, and he added a rushing TD for good measure.
That was a freakish game, and it's not going to happen again. If it does, I will personally shit a brick and ship it to you.
Since I have seen him duplicate unlikely performances many times this year, and know he throws deep a LOT, I am officially declining that offer.
For what it is worth, I agree with Rodgers on time and place, and am glad Tebow has toned it down some since his interview after the Jets game, when every other word out of his mouth was a reference to Christ. But as a player, he is a LOT of fun to watch, and that is coming from a guy who wanted Quinn to replace Orton because I had NO faith in our option QB.
Dude, even his face looks Christian.
No, seriously, I don't know what it is about him, but he creeps me out. I don't find him fun to watch at all.Well, fair enough; I can accept the creep factor as long as we recognize it as a visceral reaction unrelated to his performance as a player. Michael Vick is a phenomenal player, when not sulking, I just do not think that excuses what an awful human being he is. One more reason to despise the Eagles, as if I needed one.
You are more OK with rape than fundie Christianity? Your choice, but it seems an odd one for any woman to make. As for the circumcision thing, I had to look it up just now as well, but he snipped off a small piece of skin; it is not like he was removing organs.
Fundie Christianity scares me like rape never could. I'm not a virgin. I get off on rough sex. Rape disgusts me, true, but it also turns me on. Fundamentalism makes me go
and hide in the bedroom. But honestly, about the circumcision thing. I'm really interested in starting a thread about the subject here. There is so much debate going on about it! With regards to Tebow, I know my personal preference is the same as his. However, I do not agree that A. he should be doing it without a medical license, B. he should be doing it in a ministry and not a hospital, or C. he should be doing it to half-grown men.
Honestly, I tend to agree there, though from what I saw, SOMEONE was going to be doing it to those half grown men, regardless; sooner or later, most would have requested it. As far as licensing, I cannot help wondering what percentage of mohels are medically licensed; they all have medical training, but that is not the same (for that matter, Tebow got SOME medical training first, though I would insist on more than ONE DAY of training before letting anyone take a knife to my penis.) As far as the environment, as long as it is sterile I see no reason a hospital itself should be necessary; again, we are not talking about major surgery.
As far as fundies vs. violent assault, I consider the latter far worse. The former is rarely more than annoying until/unless it perpetrates the latter, at which point I condemn it AS the latter, because it is.
Yeah, still not worse than rape in my book. I have been circumcised, but never raped, and if I had to choose one or the other I would not change a thing.
I understand your point. However, Tebow has brought his religion onto the field. Roethlisberger doesn't rape on the football field, and Vick doesn't torture animals on it, either. To me, these are all skeletons that should stay in your closet. Tebow's is probably out because he himself is in it.
Suspicion is not proof. Ultimately, I agree with you, and have frequently criticized Tebow for proselytizing on the field. When Kurt Warner says a football player talks about Jesus too much, it is excessive (Warners statement plus a big dose of Matthew 6:5 well expressed my feelings as a Christian, but he learned by doing just like Tebow is slowly doing.) Steve YOUNG went to BYU; you do the math. Yet he did not feel compelled to make every post game interview into a sermon.
First time I heard about Tebow as a RAFO thread about his "if you have an abortion you might miss out on the next Tebow" commercial, which was nauseating. I guess by that metric abortion is still OK if you KNOW your child will have such severe physical and mental handicaps they will be lucky to ever walk, let alone play pro football. Just, y'know, not to save a womans life. Funny thing is, I have heard that in those cases they ask the father (if available) rather than the mother, because women expecting to be mothers soon tend to automatically choose the babys life over their own. I would be a LOT happier if he just played football and witnessed with his life rather than his lips, but he seems to be doing a lot better at both. He still makes thanking Jesus the first thing he does in a press conference, but I cannot fault that since he (rightly, IMHO) considers Jesus the most important part of his life and the primary reason for his success; as long as he then moves onto talking about JUST FOOTBALL I have no problem with it. I kinda like how every time reporters ask him about a great game he just had he thanks Jesus, then proceeds to thank everyone on the team except himself and the waterboy.
Considering we are only looking at their play though, we sure are talking about a lot of other things.
LOL! It's true that you can't help judging people based on their actions off the playing field. I try not to. Tebow brought his on- I've made my case about that, and I'm sticking to it. Roethlisberger, well... I tend to think some women who cry rape at professional athletes are doing it for money, so I'm skeptical. He seems like a decent guy. If he did rape though, I'm still cooler with him than Tebow's Christianity.
Vick is a disgusting human who should be thrown in a ring to fight and put to death afterwards.No argument on Vick; he, Ray Lewis and OJ are disgraces to the game, in descending order of offensiveness. Make a few Pro Bowls though and anything goes.
In the case of Big Ben, I only recently started digging into the details of that myself, and it looks like a little of both. The FIRST chick who accused him of sexual assault looks like she actively sought him out, had consensual sex with him, then tried to get money out of it; she not only sued him, but 7 people at the hotel where she worked. One of them was a coworker who swore under oath that the woman requested assignment at the resort where Ben was staying, bragged about having sex with him and said she hoped she got pregnant with a "little Roethlisberger," then talked about following him back to Pittsburgh, which the coworker discouraged.
The other woman, however, was a different matter: Ben got her drunk at a club, tried to have sex with her, and she fled through the first door she saw; it happened to be a bathroom, so he followed her and forced himself on her while one of his security guards blocked the door as the womans friends tried to rescue her. She withdrew her criminal complaint because she did not want the publicity, but explicitly said she was not recanting her statement. If she was trying to extort hush money, she is REALLY bad at it.
Know the funny thing though? In 2011 Tebow had a higher TD% and a lower Int% than Roethlisberger (though his YPA was significantly higher.)