Ew. - Edit 1
Before modification by nossy at 24/08/2012 07:12:37 PM
So I don't really think you can split the thing up. Sure, Galloway phrased his comment in more general terms, but still, it was inspired by a specific situation.
Yeah, difficult, but it is possible to say: "If this guy is saying that having sex with someone's sleeping body is not rape, then I definitely do not agree." It appears that that is where we started, until we got into whoknowswhathappened case details. Point is, I can see where it went wrong.
It seems - but I readily admit the sources don't seem very reliable, one of them claimed to be the English translation of the actual Swedish police report, which in turn makes you ponder the unethicality of that having been leaked, but who knows if that's true - that the event occurred in the morning after both had been up already, but had somehow ended up sort of dozing off again. And that the woman's main concern was not the act itself, but whether or not Assange was using a condom - seems she didn't freak out and tell him to stop at all. Even after it turned out he wasn't. Supposedly, anyway.
Reading that same thing also leads one to the conclusion that Assange is an incredible asshole and a sad excuse for a human being, I should add, so it's not as if that initiating sex while she's asleep wasn't par for the course.
Yes, Guh. I had read that she noticed he wasn't using a condom and tried to get him to stop - it was a fairly interesting report. Ew. And this is partly why this discussion confused me at first. I couldn't figure out which woman (sleeping or condom) we meant, or if it was the same one, etc.