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O tempora! O mores! Tom Send a noteboard - 04/09/2012 09:10:39 PM
1. The candidates almost undoubtedly market 'change' as the reason to vote for them. I will change this, I will get America where it should be. Do you believe them?

It's clear that no one can ever implement everything they want to. The key questions are (1) is this guy even going to try to do what he says? (2) Do I actually want him to do this? and (3) is he flexible enough to compromise and get results? In most cases, politicians engage in situational ethics and say whatever they think people want to hear to get elected. The higher one goes, the greater the likelihood that there is something massively unethical, perhaps even criminal, going on. Nixon just got caught, but LBJ was almost certainly worse. Reagan, Clinton, Obama - they've all done things that were unsavory at best. As I said to a friend today on Facebook, people with an acute sense of morality should look away while the sausage is being made.

2. Do the candidates deliver? Is there a President in your lifetime who has delivered and really made you glad that you voted for him? Or is it all the same old until they get into the White House and everything remains pretty standard.

I think that the mark of a great President is knowing just how much political capital you have, allotting it wisely and being willing to compromise. Reagan and Clinton did that magnificently, and Obama and Carter have been complete fools. However, in almost all cases, what they have delivered on is not what they promised. It's like promising the voters filet mignon and giving them a steamed lobster instead (in the case of Reagan and Clinton; in Obama's case, a McNugget).

3. Does the candidate matter that much to you or do you vote for a party and their policies most times?

I tend to vote Republican despite my libertarian views because economic issues are more important to me and the Republicans seem to understand how money is made far better than the Democrats. Clinton and George W. Bush have made this identification harder, but prior to Clinton and after W. it's been pretty clear.

4. How is the quality of your leadership changing? Are your leaders better or worse than 20 or 50 years ago?

It's more partisan now, but I think that it's always been the same (hence my subject line). I just read about the War of 1812 and the way politics was characterized was almost identical to the present day, so not much has changed in 200 years. We just gloss over the ugly things after about 25 years or so (maybe even less) so people sound more principled and historic than they really were. Looking back at Lincoln in the Civil War, I see a genius but also a consummate politician who had scores of enemies - he nearly lost the 1864 election.

Thank you
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

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Americans... help me understand your voting minds - 04/09/2012 07:19:54 AM 1334 Views
I'll be totally honest, which may get me some flack. - 04/09/2012 03:03:52 PM 719 Views
Re: I'll be totally honest, which may get me some flack. - 04/09/2012 03:58:36 PM 675 Views
But could you imagine either one taking the second slot on that ticket? *NM* - 04/09/2012 04:11:58 PM 353 Views
The meanness and partisanship has always been there, especially in DC, however..... - 04/09/2012 04:18:29 PM 541 Views
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you and a small army of pollsters are trying to figure that out - 04/09/2012 05:58:31 PM 645 Views
O tempora! O mores! - 04/09/2012 09:10:39 PM 634 Views
Re: Americans... help me understand your voting minds - 04/09/2012 09:30:35 PM 625 Views
Sorry, but I only gloss over most of what you say. - 05/09/2012 03:39:28 PM 587 Views
Re: Sorry, but I only gloss over most of what you say. - 05/09/2012 06:17:41 PM 647 Views
Stephen is basically right on the first point. - 05/09/2012 08:39:22 PM 598 Views
Thanks for clarifying, Joel. *NM* - 06/09/2012 01:31:31 PM 319 Views
NP, thanks for asking and listening. - 06/09/2012 02:39:54 PM 523 Views
On that note (liberals hating America). - 07/09/2012 05:35:40 PM 615 Views
Problem the same as every other democracy - 05/09/2012 03:47:07 AM 642 Views
Aight. - 05/09/2012 08:23:26 PM 560 Views

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