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I never said we should end diplomatic relations, just our economic, military and commercial presence Joel Send a noteboard - 17/09/2012 06:08:36 PM
Remember how tense the protests against Mubarak were? Specifically, do you recall the White House making clear it did not want to see Mubaraks soldiers firing on protesters with US made and sold M-16s? Egypts new president is not placating Obama because he feels guilt over the embassy attack or some idealistic commitment to free speech: He does want to lose $1.6 billion in US aid (which we can ill afford,) or the other money Egypt earns from private US industry and trade. Yet given its demonstrated unpopularity in Egypt and costs (both material and human) to Americans, why should it continue?

Most of them do not want us there, and we derive dubious benefits (yet substantial risks) from being there: Why SHOULD we be there...?

Every time a military strongman turns US made weapons on oppressed millions demanding his ouster, his victims hate us a little more. Knowing (or believing) we only support him to secure our own regional strategic interests and ensure our multinationals profit deepens their hatred. We can end that without recalling ambassadors and severing diplomatic relations. We can talk with oppressive government without supporting them and thereby becoming complicit in their excesses.
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We should close our embassies and consulates? Great plan. *NM* - 15/09/2012 11:08:01 AM 204 Views
I never said we should end diplomatic relations, just our economic, military and commercial presence - 17/09/2012 06:08:36 PM 499 Views
yeah, I've watched it the whole way through and agree with you on all points. - 15/09/2012 02:25:36 AM 701 Views
That's exactly my reaction as well - 15/09/2012 03:30:09 AM 503 Views
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I think one of the most interesting comments on this is relevant here - 15/09/2012 11:12:10 AM 550 Views
Very nicely summarized. *NM* - 15/09/2012 11:15:36 AM 208 Views
I read the same. - 15/09/2012 02:17:52 PM 525 Views
Have you read about the making of the film? - 18/09/2012 12:31:01 AM 488 Views

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