An act of war is almost by definition the beginning of a war.
Joel Send a noteboard - 23/09/2012 04:58:25 AM
You can argue which act of war started the war but it seems like it would make sense form a logical point of view to go with the first act of war. I would argue that allowing people to use your country to train and plan attacks on another country is an act of war and the Taliban was the government at the time. Also technically the resumption of violence following the violation of an armistice agreement is really the same war even if it is a decade later.
Seems to me it would make sense to go with, well, common sense. I'm not sure why you're even bothering to deny this, anyway, as I said it wasn't the intention to blame the US for starting those wars (though in the case of Iraq, that doesn't mean I necessarily consider it a good idea, just that I don't feel like arguing about it here).
Though he picked an choice; he seems to have forgotten that was Clintons argument for firing cruise missiles at Iraqi SAM batteries, and that Republicans condemned at the time because:
1) Saddam was not threat to the US,
2) The missiles cost ~$1 million apiece, so firing them needlessly increased our debt and
3) The missiles were also finite, so firing them needlessly lowered our readiness.
It is quite a bizarre argument given those same people five years later insisted Saddam was threat to the US so dire it justified trillions of dollars in new debt (i.e. enough to buy MILLIONS of cruise missiles) and US combat troops sent on half a dozen straight combat tours, until some of them started facing court martials to avoid returning. Other than the White House letterhead, I have never understood what changed. I am glad Republicans finally recognized Clintons authority as Commander-in-Chief; I just wish they had bothered to do so while he still had it: Then he would have had the latitude to kill bin Laden when he had the chance and the Twin Towers would still be standing.
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Biden claims Romney wants war with Syria and Iran.
- 02/09/2012 10:48:24 PM
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Meh. Sounds like a non-story. But my thoughts, for what they're worth.
- 02/09/2012 11:05:52 PM
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Biden should be busy preparing to debate Ryan so he is not shredded, instead of saying stupid things
- 02/09/2012 11:52:35 PM
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We should introduce a new military doctrine
- 03/09/2012 02:46:33 AM
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I still think the post-war Axis powers the best model, but that requires equivalent manpower.
- 03/09/2012 03:57:12 AM
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It's a terrible model.
- 03/09/2012 11:42:36 PM
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Re: It's a terrible model.
- 04/09/2012 04:09:21 AM
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I recently read Stephen Ambrose's Band of Brothers, about a regiment from the 101st in WW2.
- 04/09/2012 10:29:01 PM
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wars they didn't start themselves? how do you figure that?
- 04/09/2012 10:45:07 PM
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We cannot hold all Afghanistan/Iraq accountable for governments against which they were powerless.
- 04/09/2012 11:54:46 PM
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so what? Governments habe always been who goes to war
- 05/09/2012 02:55:25 AM
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True, but we cannot hold people responsible for actions of their undemocratic governments.
- 05/09/2012 03:19:20 AM
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well thanks to the US they now have democratcily elected governments and can be held accountable *NM*
- 05/09/2012 02:30:41 PM
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Democratically elected? We will be propping it up with the US Army for at least two more years.
- 05/09/2012 07:19:21 PM
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being propped up by the US military doesn't make it not a democracy
- 05/09/2012 07:29:42 PM
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Political power that comes out of the barrel of a gun precludes democracy.
- 05/09/2012 09:01:40 PM
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it was always a lost cost and all governments are backed up by the barrel of a gun
- 05/09/2012 09:49:51 PM
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No more so than Iraq, but at least there was a threat to America to fight in Afghanistan.
- 23/09/2012 04:51:14 AM
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I said start. I quite agree with you about the things that went on after the wars themselves ended.
- 05/09/2012 08:51:58 PM
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shooting at our aircraft is none hostile?
- 05/09/2012 10:06:07 PM
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Eh. It's not the beginning of a war, no.
- 05/09/2012 10:31:52 PM
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An act of war is almost by definition the beginning of a war.
- 23/09/2012 04:58:25 AM
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It is very difficult to reconcile this post with Toms.
- 04/09/2012 11:50:06 PM
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Hey, remember when Bush invaded Iraq? For no reason at all, it turned out?
- 03/09/2012 01:56:49 AM
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Realistically, I don't think Romney would do MUCH different. But that little bit...
- 03/09/2012 02:19:14 AM
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After all the moeny he took from Sheldon Adelson he HAS to attack Iran. Adelson will foot the bill. *NM*
- 03/09/2012 05:19:27 AM
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I don't think Romney is that interested in starting a war with anyone
- 04/09/2012 02:39:14 PM
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*NM*