The US Supreme Court -
"Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival.... To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications
Good cite, does not disprove my point. Racial bias is by its very nature unconstitional. The word "marriage" does not appear in the Constitution, or any of the founding documents. IT IS NOT ADDRESSED, thefore it can not be a right; period. Rights are inherant, privledges are legally created, marriage is a privledge.
UN -
"Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution."
Yay rah. A UN decree and $5 will get you a cup of coffee at starbucks. This is America, it is governed by American laws, not the UN.
Legislating through judicial arguments is virtually ALWAYS a bad idea.
I guess my first quote responds to this. Wanna argue against it?
I just did
2nd Circuit rules in favor of Edith Windsor. DOMA unconstitutional.
- 18/10/2012 08:37:12 PM
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Completely unsurprising since the Justice department refuses to defend the law.
- 18/10/2012 09:05:16 PM
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For a moment there I thought you were saying the Supreme Court had ruled it unconstitutional.
- 18/10/2012 09:10:16 PM
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Do you know if there's a case about DOMA and the "full faith and credit" clause?
- 18/10/2012 10:05:11 PM
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I don't know offhand, but my gchat friend will. If she pops on again, I'll ask her. But...
- 18/10/2012 10:37:09 PM
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I asked her about pending cases taking on Section 2. "None that I know of," she answered. *NM*
- 19/10/2012 12:46:21 AM
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I wonder about that one as well.
- 19/10/2012 12:39:54 AM
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Re: I wonder about that one as well.
- 19/10/2012 01:18:22 AM
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Either a ban discriminates against those affected more than those unaffected, or it does not.
- 19/10/2012 03:48:32 PM
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Gun control laws can equally affect everyone, though, is my point.
- 20/10/2012 10:52:41 PM
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I'm sure there is. The California case is likely to discuss it.
- 19/10/2012 02:48:02 PM
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I just have to note in passing that Ted Olsons memoires will make fascinating reading.
- 19/10/2012 04:44:15 PM
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Also, hooray! Let's hope SCOTUS adheres (if you use that term over there). *NM*
- 18/10/2012 10:59:14 PM
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As it should be; the DoMA was always a brazen affront to the Equal Protection Clause
- 19/10/2012 12:06:13 AM
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Not really
- 19/10/2012 02:16:04 PM
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Then by the "legal argument" you all propose I should have the "right" to marry a spoon...
- 19/10/2012 05:48:32 PM
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if your spoon or dog is capable of making power of attorney decisions then by all means do so *NM*
- 19/10/2012 06:41:43 PM
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How about I "marry" a corporation then. THAT is how stupid the entire arguement is. *NM*
- 19/10/2012 07:25:13 PM
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provide for us a legal reason why marrying a corporation should be recognized by the US gov't
- 19/10/2012 08:09:08 PM
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The argument above was that there was no jsutification it should not, thus it should be allowed.
- 19/10/2012 10:57:16 PM
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you are only offering your own emotional take on a legal decision there is no logic in your posts
- 19/10/2012 11:12:17 PM
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Wrong. I do not have an emotional stake in this, I am simply using logic. *NM*
- 22/10/2012 03:59:08 PM
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saying you should be able to marry a spoon or corporation is not logical reasoning. try again *NM*
- 22/10/2012 06:19:29 PM
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EXACTLY, and that was the point I was making. Congratualtions for figuring that out. *NM*
- 22/10/2012 11:34:46 PM
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you are obviously using some humpty dumpty definition of "logic" then *NM*
- 22/10/2012 11:40:12 PM
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No, you apparently failed reading comprehension in school.
- 23/10/2012 03:08:44 PM
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#1: fuck you. #2: you are still not using logic
- 23/10/2012 05:50:14 PM
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Ah yes, the fuck you argument... the height of all intelectual persuits... and you call ME emotional
- 23/10/2012 06:47:21 PM
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i see -- it's ok to be insulting as long as the "f-bomb" is not used. got it.
- 23/10/2012 10:27:54 PM
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Another good example of how corporations aren't the same as people. *NM*
- 19/10/2012 10:07:32 PM
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Would you be the bride? Would you wear white?
- 20/10/2012 07:58:52 PM
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You have obviously not read my posts very carefully
- 22/10/2012 04:23:22 PM
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Ah, the "I have Gay Friends" argument.
- 22/10/2012 09:33:41 PM
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No, I am not, try reading everything I have written on the subject before jumping to conclusions.
- 22/10/2012 11:41:05 PM
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It was only a matter of time.
- 19/10/2012 02:49:21 PM
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I do not understand why fundamentalists demand government dictate religion.
- 19/10/2012 03:22:54 PM
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Which is why the entire method of legal attack being mounted is dumb.
- 19/10/2012 05:53:12 PM
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the only ones forcing their beliefs down everyone's throats are people like yourself
- 19/10/2012 06:44:57 PM
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There is no right being denied...
- 19/10/2012 07:22:24 PM
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that is bullshit and you know it. or, alternatively, you do not understand legality in any way
- 19/10/2012 08:06:54 PM
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Re: that is bullshit and you know it. or, alternatively, you do not understand legality in any way
- 19/10/2012 11:11:55 PM
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nobody is arguing the legal right to marry, they are arguing about the legal rights marriage gives
- 19/10/2012 11:37:14 PM
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There are no "marriage rights" NONE, zip, ziltch, nada...
- 22/10/2012 04:18:15 PM
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why bother settling custody in a divorce then if there are no "marriage rights"?
- 22/10/2012 06:38:14 PM
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You are making one, huge factual mistake that is screwing up your entire argument:
- 20/10/2012 11:00:28 PM
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