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More strange answers Isaac Send a noteboard - 14/02/2013 08:28:39 PM
Atmoplane. I like that.


I believe the term was actually coined by flat Earthers, and gets used interchangeably in these kind of alternate world chats with atmolayer, ditto lithosphere as litholayer, and spin-gravity hypothetic worlds get 'atmo-ring', there's even 'atmo-torus/donut'

So if an atmoplane was thinner, a person could see things more clearly at a greater distance, but a thicker atmoplane will obscure more distant objects. Would the distant object's illumination affect how well it could be seen? Say the object was the world's biggest digital watch, would it be easier to see at a distance, during the day, if its illumination button was pressed? Or would the brightness of day render any additional illumination redundant so far as clarity over distance went?


Distance is always a factor in visibility if the light is able to spread out or is passing through an obstructing medium. So is relative brightness. Your eye is sensitive in a very exponential way, everyone knows the sun is brighter than the inside of house lit by light bulbs but they typically don't realize that if you're reading a book at picnic table on a sunny day it is being hit by hundreds of times more photons then if you're reading it while sitting on your couch near a lamp. Nevertheless your theoretical digital clock tower is still transmitting the same number of photons day or night. From a practical standpoint there are several factors that would limit its ability to be read though, and the backlit one at night would be visible further off but not infinitely far away.

Absolutely, on an orbital ring, such as an Oneill Cylinder, Banks Orbital, or Niven Ringworld for instance the horizon does not exist, as the world curves up, and the weather would be very different. On the moon you can see a very long way and crisply, from the lack of air, alternatively the world slopes away quickly from the curvature, you would have no difficulty seeing an object disappear over the horizon. Weather patterns are seriously effected by everything from planet spin rate to the moon and of course the sun and the magnetic field of the world. To your specific suggestion, a non-rotating world, these are probably quite common, like our own moon. A tidally locked world, one that always has day on one side and night on the other, would have very different weather, possibly a breeze always blowing out from the same sun-side point. However it seems probably, as I think we've discussed on the board before, that a tidally locked world would blow all of it's moisture to its darkside to be frozen in massive glaciers and be a desert on the sun side, so probably no clouds.

Regarding tidally locked objects, I was under the impression that they do rotate, it's just that they rotate once per orbital revolution, which is why the same side always faces the object it orbits.


Yes, 1:1 orbit, I tend to refer to them as not rotating but they do rotate as you say. Unlike our moon, which has no 'dark side', these actually would have a side that never saw the sun, since the moon is locked to Earth rather than the sun.

It's hard to describe exactly what I'm thinking of when I ask this question. Say the Earth did not rotate at all, and also did not orbit. Say it existed so far away from other celestial bodies that it was not appreciably affected by their gravity, and was not moving through space. It just sits there. This is just an analogue description for what I'm thinking of, so disregard the fact that this is probably impossible because everything is moving through space, and disregard the fact that it would just be a dead chunk of rock in such a situation. Say it had artificial sunlight caused by enormous sunshine satellites that generate miraculous perpetual energy, an atmosphere, protection from cosmic rays, a simulated day/night cycle, so that we could live there. Can you think of anything weird that would happen with such a planet? There would be no coriolis effect, and I assume the magnetic field would be less significant if the planet wasn't spinning. It's possible that this question is just too weird, and I'm willing to accept that.


Well an Edersphere comes to mind. There's also no reason you couldn't build a domed colony on some methane-ridden rogue planet and torch the stuff for power, assuming you didn't have fusion. Stars and sunlight are probably necessary for complex life to develop but one doesn't actually need a star to live. I don't know why one would do this but one could drag earth out into the void, stop it spinning (easier than moving it out there) and mount a huge light on the moon, or an artificial one designed to orbit once a day up at geo-synch.

The problem with saying 'anything weird' is that weirdness is going to depend on the things used to do this. Trying to figure out the actual weirdness is really tricky, unless one of the effects grossly overrides others. You'd still have weather, if the planet wasn't spinning but was being orbited by its light source, even if that light source had minimal mass, because it would be heating the air as it turned about the planet and this should still cause a general direction to the air, I think. There will still be weather patterns of some sort though, any time something isn't subjected to constant unchanging effects it becomes dynamic. If nothing else the air would flow away from the equator during the day and back toward it at night. We have some other phys/eng guys on the site who might feel more comfortable answering this one, or over on physicsforum. Non rotating planet receiving earth level light from an artificial moon/lamp orbiting it every 24 hours would be the way to phrase it. Keep in mind for this world to be unlit the light source would have to produce no significant tidal forces itself. There are several ways that might be accomplished, but it would also make for a geologically dead world, and eventually whatever weather did exist would erode it into a flat perfect sphere. If it were essentially an unmoving sphere nested inside a bigger shell that provided light in every direction at the same time, powering up then back down again, you'd still have some weather, with the air expanding during the day and water evaporating, then contracting and raining in the evening.

Thanks again. I always appreciate your scientific insight.


Hope it helps.
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