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More ranting and hyperbole - Edit 1

Before modification by Isaac at 22/04/2013 09:16:57 PM


View original postbut if you really want the logic stream, here it is:

You might want to brush up on your logic, you quoted some facts from a biased source and left out things like a clear premise and conclusion, along with the necessary points in between. Here, let me give you an example:

Premise: Guns are incapable of murder
Argument: Murder is defined as "the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought" or "Under most modern statutes in the United States, murder comes in four varieties: (1) intentional murder; (2) a killing that resulted from the intent to do serious bodily injury; (3) a killing that resulted from a depraved heart or extreme recklessness; and (4) murder committed by an Accomplice during the commission of, attempt of, or flight from certain felonies". There is no credible evidence to indicate a firearm is capable of of any thought or emotion, such as malice.
Conclusion: A gun, possibly excluding one that is able to pass a Turing Test, can not be said to murder someone.


View original post- we have a background check system (NICS) which covers guns bought at federally licensed dealers


View original post- federally licensed dealers only sell about 60% of the guns in circulation

Guns are very durable items requiring minimal maintenance so resell is nearly perpetual, again, that is rather the point. Beyond just resell guns are very durbale, very portable, and very valuable. It isn't just that to someone can say it was lost or stolen, they are regularly stolen in house burglaries. So there is always an easy black market for these.


View original post- with 40% of guns sold in untraceable transactions, criminals buy the majority of their weapons from private sales.

No kidding


View original post- since a background check on all sales would catch whether or not a criminal is buying a gun, we should extend the current system to cover all gun sales.

How could such a thing be done? Do you propose that I should not be able to sell or give a gun to a friend without checking his background and logging on some national registry that this was done?


View original postbut if your policy says that it's better to arm criminals rather than risk having to fill out paperwork i suppose you won't be able to follow why logic dictates that there should be no exception to background checks on all guns sold.

Yeah, absurd hyperbole, very convincing. Tell you what, if it's just some paperwork, suggest to the NRA that we have those forms filled out then burnt immediately upon signature, they won't object. It's not the paperwork, it is the information contained there and who gets and who can actually do the paperwork. It is immoral to impede second hands sales and commerce by requiring serious hurdles just to sell a single used object or a handful of them. I am not responsible for what someone does with a computer i sell them, if they decide to use it hack to DoD or CIA that's on them, not me, and I've no obligation to tell the government what I do with my personal property, be it a PC, a gun, a book, or a Christmas gift.


View original postas for evidence, here is the closest thing i can come up with which you won't dismiss out of hand for being from a "liberal" group. i'm assuming you have nothing against johns hopkins university: http://www.jhsph.edu/research/centers-and-institutes/johns-hopkins-center-for-gun-policy-and-research/publications/WhitePaper102512_CGPR.pdf

Any University's 'center for gun policy' isn't likely to strike me as a non-partisan source, especially when it's the John Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. Not really a good name association on guns these days, and not coincidental, Mayor Bloomberg is the big donor in question. It's a gun control advocacy group dressed up as something else with as much claim to neutrality as CATO, Heirtage, or ThinkProgress.


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