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China? Burma? North Korea? Mexico? Joel Send a noteboard - 06/09/2013 08:42:48 AM

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Outside the Muslim world, I can only think of a couple of violent movements that are active - FARC in Colombia and several groups that were involved in the Congolese Civil War are probably the only ones.

No, almost all the violence is within the Muslim world, and most of it is Muslims fighting other Muslims. Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria and Iraq are all suffering from internal discord, and Nigeria, Pakistan, Mali and Afghanistan are suffering from major internal violent movements that threaten the stability of the country. Syria is in a total civil war and Somalia doesn't exist as a nation right now.


Perhaps the last should not count since its violence is despite rather than because of its national government, but with the pair you mentioned there are ample examples of civil wars and/or dictators brutalizing their own people without even tangential Islamic involvement. Understand, I am no fan of Islam (to be perfectly frank, I think it a diabolic and wildly successful effort to lead people back to justification by law rather than by grace through faith, without even the marginal saving "grace" of being Judaic.) Yet neither Islam nor Muslims should be condemned for any crimes but their own.

Ultimately, Islamic militants are just a symptom of a deeper problem, just as FARC and (other) violent drug cartels are in regions where Muslims are a negligible part of the populace. Colonialism and imperialism have undeniably damaged the Third World, but the popularity of blaming them for ALL Third World woes ignores the reality they would have been impossible had the Third World not already been in such awful condition it was vulnerable to foreign victimization in the first place. That does not fit the anti-Western and anti-US narrative, of course, so we hear little about places like Burma and the DRC cheerfully oppressing their own people with no US encouragement, let alone China and North Korea doing it despite strong US opposition. Still happens though.

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That's not even a vaguely complete list - 05/09/2013 01:11:25 PM 863 Views
Which makes this even more depressing? (and yes, many were more police actions) *NM* - 05/09/2013 04:58:24 PM 352 Views
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You're absolutely right. The world is pretty peaceful today. In part due to US power. - 05/09/2013 06:36:05 PM 598 Views
China? Burma? North Korea? Mexico? - 06/09/2013 08:42:48 AM 650 Views
Oppressive governments =/= violent movements - 06/09/2013 08:03:45 PM 675 Views
What a pile of horseshit you're throwing around... - 05/09/2013 03:02:44 PM 613 Views
Yes, I was going off of memory *NM* - 05/09/2013 04:57:21 PM 338 Views
On Qi I vaguely recall - 05/09/2013 07:58:35 PM 758 Views
Fairly plausible; way to put it in the right perspective - 05/09/2013 10:34:30 PM 606 Views
By 'right' do you mean right as correct or right as in political stance? *NM* - 05/09/2013 10:56:59 PM 395 Views
Accurate, valid; no political or moral connotation was meant. - 05/09/2013 11:10:15 PM 656 Views
Ah, ok. Sometimes in topics like this its hard to tell. *NM* - 05/09/2013 11:35:25 PM 419 Views
Truth - 06/09/2013 01:13:49 AM 495 Views

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