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he was not choked to death and he was not choked for selling cigerettes random thoughts Send a noteboard - 04/12/2014 02:28:44 PM

He was saying "I can't breath" said it seven or eight times. If you are talking you are breathing, they go hand in hand. The corner say the choke hold was a factor but so was the person kneeling on his back (chest compression) and so was his heart condition. The police did not take him to ground for selling smokes, he was taken to ground because he resisted arrest.

Choke holds are against policy (not the same as being illegal) and the officer should be punished for using it but I have seen no evidence that he intended to harm much less kill Garner. As in most cases where people are injured fighting the police Garner takes some measure of fault for what happened to him. He was very large man and did not go down easy. They could have tased him but with his bad heart the results may have been the same.

We do need to have a discussion about police and community interaction but part of that discussion needs to "if you fight the cops and get hurt is your dumbass fault" and we need to avoid such hyperbole as "black man chocked to death for selling cigerettes"

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New York cop pushes black man's face into pavement and chokes him to death for selling cigerettes - 04/12/2014 12:03:54 AM 1351 Views
What does his color have to do with anything? - 04/12/2014 07:37:08 AM 864 Views
A short answer for your long post - 04/12/2014 04:43:12 PM 725 Views
123 blacks shot to death by cops in 2012; 326 whites. - 05/12/2014 12:40:56 AM 831 Views
These numbers make me angry. - 05/12/2014 05:39:26 AM 715 Views
I hate these stats, so misleading. Only 13% of the US population is black! - 05/12/2014 02:02:18 PM 897 Views
"Proportions, man." - 05/12/2014 02:28:23 PM 669 Views
math is hard - 05/12/2014 02:45:08 PM 766 Views
It doesn't matter why. - 05/12/2014 03:19:54 PM 902 Views
it does to me. - 05/12/2014 03:52:01 PM 713 Views
Dangerous territories when you talk socioeconomics - 05/12/2014 04:08:57 PM 671 Views
Danger is my middle name. *NM* - 05/12/2014 04:47:23 PM 376 Views
But that's a completely separate issue than the one that the post is talking about. - 05/12/2014 05:12:44 PM 842 Views
Heh, yes. Because none of us ever adds layers to these posts. Ever. - 05/12/2014 07:34:04 PM 748 Views
That is SUCH A BAD SENTENCE. - 05/12/2014 08:07:18 PM 731 Views
I'm not Tom - 05/12/2014 10:13:43 PM 669 Views
Thus spake Patsy Stone! - 05/12/2014 10:15:44 PM 687 Views
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Okay. I can agree that we do go on tangents. - 05/12/2014 10:23:21 PM 993 Views
Re: "Proportions, man." - 05/12/2014 03:34:16 PM 932 Views
So what you have implied here then is that - 05/12/2014 04:05:10 PM 726 Views
That's a fair assumption to make *shrug* *NM* - 07/12/2014 05:35:59 PM 486 Views
And now you're the one doing exactly what you implied Cannoli was doing. - 05/12/2014 05:17:25 PM 641 Views
...I'm doing no such thing. - 07/12/2014 05:27:13 PM 818 Views
L-Dog is right, you are wrong, look at the proportion of crimes committed..... - 05/12/2014 06:30:29 PM 721 Views
Erm, no. - 07/12/2014 05:34:38 PM 922 Views
Unbelievable. I have no words... *NM* - 04/12/2014 10:15:32 AM 576 Views
he was not choked to death and he was not choked for selling cigerettes - 04/12/2014 02:28:44 PM 667 Views
I mean, "Killed him without intent" is pretty much the definition of manslaughter, isn't it? *NM* - 04/12/2014 04:44:18 PM 390 Views
sorry but it isn't - 04/12/2014 05:54:27 PM 644 Views
did you actually watch the video of his death? - 04/12/2014 06:30:26 PM 719 Views
OK watched it all the way. Which one of my conclusions were suppossed to change? - 04/12/2014 07:39:07 PM 585 Views
sorry, i mistook you for a human capable of compassion. my mistake - 04/12/2014 07:47:35 PM 613 Views
Don't worry I don't mistaake you for someone capable of rational thought - 04/12/2014 10:56:44 PM 607 Views

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