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So you're guilty until proven innocent?? MonCul Send a noteboard - 06/03/2015 01:52:47 AM

View original postthis is why passing "yes means yes" laws are so important, because otherwise it's up to the victim to prove they said "no". it's the victim's decision to pursue rape charges. and it's up to the accused to prove they did not rape the victim. if a victim says they were raped, they should be believed until it can be proven that they were not raped. end of story.

In a situation where both parties were inebriated, how exactly do you prove you did not rape someone?

Would: "He/She never said 'No'" work?

How about: "He/She moaned and made other pleasurable noises throughout"?

If going in a jury has to assume the accused did indeed rape the accuser, I doubt that would be good enough. What sort of defense do you use when the obligation of proving your innocence lies on you? You wouldn't be a defendant at that point, you would be on offense.

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[citation needed] - 04/03/2015 10:13:38 PM 728 Views
They'd better enforce it equally *NM* - 03/03/2015 06:28:38 PM 368 Views
Just like hate crime is enforced equally? *NM* - 03/03/2015 07:10:45 PM 361 Views
Exactly. I don't have high hopes *NM* - 03/03/2015 09:10:40 PM 466 Views
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no, it's actually turning the burden of proof onto the accused as it should be - 04/03/2015 10:09:59 PM 909 Views
Re: no, it's actually turning the burden of proof onto the accused as it should be - 04/03/2015 11:29:00 PM 787 Views
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The only rational one the in this conversation by all appearances. - 05/03/2015 02:39:56 AM 767 Views
So you're guilty until proven innocent?? - 06/03/2015 01:52:47 AM 1094 Views
They get around all that proof stuff by keeping it out of the courts - 09/03/2015 04:34:21 PM 760 Views
And that shit is happening ALL THE TIME. - 09/03/2015 04:57:53 PM 820 Views
i think you may be pushing your personal bias on the author. - 06/03/2015 06:42:15 PM 999 Views

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