Before modification by beetnemesis at 18/06/2015 04:05:03 AM
If you're beginning a post with a Webster's definition, you're already behind.
Firstly, yes, that is his thesis, but if you thought it was vague or poorly worded, I really don't know what to tell you, other than I think I have some Berenstein Bears books I could let you borrow.
That thesis is what I wrote. Cannoli's post was 5 paragraphs, none particularly concise.
Right, so, yeah, you are attempting to write him off as a -phobe.
A bit? But that's what he IS. He is someone who is anti-trans people, rights, and acceptance. That's what being transphobic IS. He doesn't have to go beating up Thai ladyboys in the street to make that so.
Listen, I know it sounds bad to be called a racist, or a homophobe, or a transphobe, or anything else like that, but... I mean, it is what it is. I'm anti-frozen yogurt and anti-treating-cheerleading-as-a-sport. There may not be any popular celebrities currently on the other side of that issue, but that doesn't mean I'm any less prejudiced against froyo. Just eat some goddamn ice cream!
Cannoli doesn't think being transgender is a real thing, and is very anti- any sort of trans rights or acceptance, beyond treating it as a mental disorder.
That's not me putting words into his mouth, that is his position. At least he's OWNING it. So don't whine that people are pigeonholing him into some kind of anti-trans position. Cannoli has been adamant- this is what he believes, this is why he believes it.
That's what being "transphobic" IS.
As for being "unscientific," Cannoli's second point is that he doesn't really give as much credit to science as the mainstream does. He claims that it is as prone to speculation, hyperbole, emotion and error as any religion. Others here disagree, and have debated (or DISCUSSED, since you are insisting on being pedantic), that point as well.
Ok, the definitions of sex and gender were the same thing until they were manipulated by the same people who wish to allow for this sort of trans things anyways. You can't say "I made this up and now it's a thing" and expect everyone to buy into that, which is exactly what has been done.
...You do realize this is basically irrelevant, right? Even if I fully agreed with you that the definition of gender was manipulated from it's "true" definition, it doesn't really change anything.
A trans person is a person who feels like a person of a different sex than they were born as. I mean, if you want to invent some new, third word for that, you can? It doesn't make the concept go away.
As for Cannoli bringing creationism into the what-I-hesitate-to-even-call-a-discussion, it was brought up because other people completely ignored his thesis(remember, that thing a 'debate' is supposed to be centered on) to nitpick on an offhanded comment about fossils.
It spun off into a side conversation. Have you never been on a message board before? Cannoli said something that people wanted to discuss, and the format of this message board meant that it became its own sub-discussion.
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I guess what I'm saying is, you're not making a lot of sense.
You're upset that people are "nitpicking," but people are just responding to what Cannoli is saying. And he says a lot of things, in different ways.
I mean, if you want, I can just make a blanket opposition statement to Cannoli, and not talk about anything he said to back it up. But then the same holds true for you, and then we're just two people with different opinions staring at each other.
Which is fine, people are allowed to have different opinions. But don't act like arguing and trying to change other people's minds is some kind of moral affront.