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There is that, but few LINOs acknowledge the name is only that Joel Send a noteboard - 18/07/2015 03:33:40 AM

That is ironic since most Americans worship Libertarianism with their lips, but their hearts are far from libertarianism. 90% of the conflict between "Democrats" and "Republicans" is WHICH civil liberties to violate for what agenda, while "Libertarians" absurdly proclaim their own variation "real" libertarianism. It is a deeply depressing reminder even the most mature civilized human societies remain HUMAN, for ill as well as good.


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View original post"Slow down, Homer; THINK before you say each word."
it's a meme, old man. Get with the times. But speaking of terminology, I've always thought RINO was a bad name. John McCain IS a member of the Republican party. The RINO term makes the mistake of assuming that automatically means conservative. McCain and Graham and Bush and their ilk are more like Conservative In Name Only.

The Holy Roman Empire was a meme, too, but, as Voltaire noted, memes can be and sometimes are used inappropriately. Your point is valid as far as it goes, but except for the early days when the Republican Party was so radical it fought a WAR for civil rights, and the accident of Teddy Roosevelts brief aberration before he accepted reality and started the Progressive Party, the Republican Party has been synonymous with conservatism, so its adherents can be excused for considering liberalism political heresy.


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View original postAlso, I had to read rts response to remember exactly what this case was REALLY about, after which I can only say: A LINO excusing (local, not federal) stormtroopers; "SUR-PRISE, SUR-PRISE, SUR-PRISE!"

They were not acting in their capacity to protect the public from violent criminals, but as tax collectors. What, exactly, is inconsistent about my criticizing such people? Also, while I am opposed to federal enforcement agents and officers in principle, in practice, local cops are bigger assholes. I have a rule of thumb which basically states that the arrogance and ego of the emergency responder or security worker is inversely proportional to his importance and degree of professionalism. Is there anyone more pointless and authoritarian than a lifeguard or a TSA agent, who only exist to do what people should be doing for themselves? It goes down, through EMTs, volunteer firemen, and suburban cops, compared to paramedics, actual firemen and city cops. Most cops tend to agree with me, though I don't actually tell them where they stand on that scale.

That is just it though: You did NOT criticize them; you excused them as mere "idiot stormtroopers... following orders." That just passes the buck, which may be bureaucracies PURPOSE to some degree, but remains inexcusable. The mayor and other city executives are responsible to the extent Garners death was the result of their policies, orders and officers (hence the suit and settlement) but the officers SHARE that responsibility for directly causing his death, whether or not by following city policy. If the policy were "shoot all infants on sight," that would be a reprehensible policy whose authors were equally reprehensible, but it would still be up to individual officers whether to COMPLY, and those who did would be no less reprehensible.

WHATEVER the policy, the cops explicitly endorsed it when they took an oath to apply it; if it subsequently changed, they tacitly endorsed it when they declined to find another way to make a living. Either way, they are on the hook for their own actions; "the devil made me do it" is not a valid defense.


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View original postSince I have debated this issue too much lately, I will go further: Which is more pathetic?

1) The rights incessant rants on militarized cops, citizen rights and government oppression going mute when cops kill an unarmed black person or

The ACTUAL right has been complaining about this for years. The problem, as I repeatedly say whenever moondog and the like start shrieking in accordance with your subsequent point, is that the cases that receive national attention are the absolute worst examples. You have to work to find stuff like that kid who was badly burned when cops in tactical gear serving a no-knock warrant tossed a flash-bang into his crib. But when a thug assaults police officers, who shoot back, that is exactly justifiable. If someone struck an ordinary citizen sitting in his car and tried to grab him and pull a gun on him, and then tried to charge that citizen with a gun drawn, anyone would say he deserved what he got. But liberals can score political points due to the race, so of course they start screaming. There's nothing to be gained except justice in making a stink over the flash-bang in a crib.

The ACTUAL right, as this response and all conservatives statements in this thread demonstrate, is just as SELECTIVE as the left in its complaints. Whether someone is the "absolute worst" OR best example correlates suspiciously well with that someones RACE, and for BOTH sides. We hardly ever hear leftists screaming about police brutality against WHITES, because police brutality is SOLELY caused by criminal justice racism, and we hardly ever hear the right screaming about police brutality against anyone BUT whites, because everyone else is "a thug assault[ing] police officers." I wish both right AND left all the luck they sorely need building any kind of majority consensus on those divisive bases: Because absent an overwhelming majority, the elite hyperminority will continue dividing and ruling the unempowered hypermajority as it always has.

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So Eric Garner's family is getting $5.9 million dollars. How awesome is that? - 16/07/2015 03:10:14 PM 893 Views
...? *NM* - 16/07/2015 07:09:33 PM 318 Views
we need to stop giving away millions tax dollars and calling it justice - 17/07/2015 01:14:39 AM 444 Views
IDK, I got the impression hustle was a good thing - 17/07/2015 12:42:07 PM 621 Views
I bitched about going Off-Topic the last time I posted on this board... - 17/07/2015 05:22:29 PM 600 Views
Are you being ironic? - 18/07/2015 01:14:07 PM 613 Views
So what do you think he would have doing for money without the tax? - 17/07/2015 05:39:33 PM 524 Views
Who cares? That's his business. - 18/07/2015 01:16:44 PM 612 Views
You seem to care since you brought it up - 18/07/2015 01:28:46 PM 591 Views
why only some child molesters? - 17/07/2015 05:40:21 PM 589 Views
That is two jobs, not one; also, the government does not lobby itself. - 17/07/2015 03:09:15 AM 512 Views
the silly "unarmed" argument - 17/07/2015 04:57:32 AM 582 Views
All I heard was "no one 'needs' guns." - 17/07/2015 10:59:40 AM 680 Views
See, these are tyranny, because the cops picked the fights. - 17/07/2015 02:09:21 PM 559 Views
Cops picked their fight with Garner, too: Why is that not tyranny? - 18/07/2015 03:33:52 AM 565 Views
Re: Cops picked their fight with Garner, too: Why is that not tyranny? - 18/07/2015 01:59:41 PM 593 Views
The above question remains, unanswered - 09/08/2015 04:20:37 AM 591 Views
Sorry but almost everything you said was wrong - 18/07/2015 02:48:44 PM 602 Views
... was exactly that. - 09/08/2015 04:23:54 AM 527 Views
Sorry but almost everything you said was wrong - 18/07/2015 02:48:45 PM 584 Views
You need to be 'in name' before you can be 'in name only' - 17/07/2015 12:57:55 PM 609 Views
There is that, but few LINOs acknowledge the name is only that - 18/07/2015 03:33:40 AM 526 Views

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