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BOTH are problems for everyone; one is just more serious because systemic and promoting the other Joel Send a noteboard - 09/08/2015 04:25:00 AM

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That is just it though: You did NOT criticize them; you excused them as mere "idiot stormtroopers... following orders." That just passes the buck, which may be bureaucracies PURPOSE to some degree, but remains inexcusable. The mayor and other city executives are responsible to the extent Garners death was the result of their policies, orders and officers (hence the suit and settlement) but the officers SHARE that responsibility for directly causing his death, whether or not by following city policy. If the policy were "shoot all infants on sight," that would be a reprehensible policy whose authors were equally reprehensible, but it would still be up to individual officers whether to COMPLY, and those who did would be no less reprehensible.
But that's people being bad. Everyone knows it's bad. The problem we should be concerned with is bad policies, which are something we can and should do something about. People taking unwarranted license which they are permitted by law is not so much of a public problem as the law which gives them license.

BOTH are problems, though I agree adopting a problem as civic POLICY exacerbates it. Hence complaints against "institutional racism," which correctly identify the guilty party despite mistaking the principal crime. I am not exactly holding my breath expecting much "progress" there though; the lefts leadership mistakes the problems main cause, but the rights refuses to even admit it EXISTS, so what progress is possible?

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...? *NM* Danu - 16/07/2015 07:09:33 PM 319 Views
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Kill someone who is not threatening you and you are liable; it is pretty straightforward Joel - 18/07/2015 03:44:26 AM 532 Views
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Even so Joel - 09/08/2015 04:16:32 AM 553 Views
so because you didn't see the video of him selling loose cigarettes you assume the police lied? *NM* random thoughts - 09/08/2015 03:18:00 PM 227 Views
Selling loose cigarettes is no crime, but unproven=/=dishonest: Proven=/=justifiable homicide either Joel - 10/08/2015 08:53:07 AM 637 Views
IDK, I got the impression hustle was a good thing Cannoli - 17/07/2015 12:42:07 PM 622 Views
I bitched about going Off-Topic the last time I posted on this board... TyrReborn - 17/07/2015 05:22:29 PM 601 Views
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No, I am being 100% serious. TyrReborn - 19/07/2015 04:43:13 PM 615 Views
A murderer is not going to be murdering anyone else. THAT is the point, not punishment. Cannoli - 22/07/2015 11:23:05 AM 468 Views
Re: A murderer is not going to be murdering anyone else. THAT is the point, not punishment. TyrReborn - 23/07/2015 04:44:52 AM 539 Views
This is why the Catholic Church opposes capital punishment AND abortion equally Joel - 10/08/2015 09:30:47 AM 547 Views
Will no one rid you of these troublesome abortionists, eh? Joel - 10/08/2015 09:12:23 AM 544 Views
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Who cares? That's his business. Cannoli - 18/07/2015 01:16:44 PM 613 Views
You seem to care since you brought it up random thoughts - 18/07/2015 01:28:46 PM 592 Views
why only some child molesters? random thoughts - 17/07/2015 05:40:21 PM 590 Views
All actual child molesters, not all who are convicted of such offenses. Cannoli - 18/07/2015 01:26:25 PM 580 Views
That is a problem with most sexual assualt not to mention doemstic abuse cases *NM* random thoughts - 18/07/2015 01:40:43 PM 293 Views
That is two jobs, not one; also, the government does not lobby itself. Joel - 17/07/2015 03:09:15 AM 512 Views
the silly "unarmed" argument random thoughts - 17/07/2015 04:57:32 AM 583 Views
All I heard was "no one 'needs' guns." Joel - 17/07/2015 10:59:40 AM 680 Views
See, these are tyranny, because the cops picked the fights. Cannoli - 17/07/2015 02:09:21 PM 559 Views
Cops picked their fight with Garner, too: Why is that not tyranny? Joel - 18/07/2015 03:33:52 AM 565 Views
Re: Cops picked their fight with Garner, too: Why is that not tyranny? Cannoli - 18/07/2015 01:59:41 PM 594 Views
The above question remains, unanswered Joel - 09/08/2015 04:20:37 AM 591 Views
Sorry but almost everything you said was wrong random thoughts - 18/07/2015 02:48:44 PM 602 Views
... was exactly that. Joel - 09/08/2015 04:23:54 AM 528 Views
Sorry but almost everything you said was wrong random thoughts - 18/07/2015 02:48:45 PM 585 Views
OK Not an respond to what I said? random thoughts - 17/07/2015 05:29:55 PM 590 Views
Sure it was: Since the unarmed and armed have equally lethal force, guns are needless Joel - 18/07/2015 03:40:10 AM 532 Views
sorry I didn't realize you are using the some cops did bad things so all cops do bad things argument random thoughts - 18/07/2015 01:56:31 PM 542 Views
No one said that, but arguing "most cops do nothing wrong so no cops do anything wrong" is false too Joel - 09/08/2015 04:46:49 AM 675 Views
You need to be 'in name' before you can be 'in name only' Cannoli - 17/07/2015 12:57:55 PM 610 Views
There is that, but few LINOs acknowledge the name is only that Joel - 18/07/2015 03:33:40 AM 526 Views
My point about the cops was addressing the thing that's a problem for the rest of us. Cannoli - 18/07/2015 02:04:52 PM 557 Views
BOTH are problems for everyone; one is just more serious because systemic and promoting the other Joel - 09/08/2015 04:25:00 AM 562 Views
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