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Will no one rid you of these troublesome abortionists, eh? Joel Send a noteboard - 10/08/2015 09:12:23 AM

Sorry, the better attested Latin quote would not fit in the subject line.


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EDIT And all this ignores the fact that you cannot advance a cause through fear, only through truth. The ONLY way we're going to stop abortion in this country is through reasoning and proofs, proving that that bundle of human tissue is actually a human being. Making people fear us will simply make them hate us, and making them hate us does nothing except hurt the truth.

People won't understand that truth about grown human beings whose right to exist they accept in principle. When it's a life they don't have to ever look at, can keep secret, and removes a massive inconvenience, they are NEVER going to accept the truth.

KNOWING murder of human beings is rationally and morally equal to killing an unthinking lump of cells one is convinced is no being of any kind?


View original postWe can pat ourselves on the back for being better than them, but at some point, I have to wonder whether or not it might be better to do something about it.

Ask the slave Malchus; the first Pope agreed with you, but his Master and ours did not.


View original postAs I said above, oderint dum metuant. Let them hate the pro-life movement (remember, we are not a disenfranchised minority fighting for equal rights, where hatred would not serve our cause, we are fighting to preserve the LIVES, not quality of life, for an absolutely helpless set of victims, incapable of doing anything to help their cause - next to that, what are our reputations worth? ), if they are going to be too terrified to walk into an abortion mill.

Not exactly how that works. For one thing, most medical professional performing abortions are convinced they are SAVING human beings, without killing ANY; as far as they are concerned, killing THEM must makes them martyrs at the hands of UNDENIABLE murderers. Look at George Tiller: If killing him were enough to deter him, why did it take TWO tries?


View original postMy position on the issue is that I am personally opposed to it.

Except you just said you condone it; do you just not want to be legally or otherwise ACCOUNTABLE for condoning it? Good luck selling that one when you meet St. Peter, and, more importantly, his Boss. You might fool us, or even yourself, but never Him.


View original postI would never do it myself. I believe it to be wrong and a great tragedy. But I can't presume to judge someone who WOULD do such a thing, because I have not walked a mile in their shoes. I can't speak to the experiences or personal values that would incite or permit another individual to do such a thing, so I cannot, in good conscience, condemn a person who performs a terminal procedure on an abortionist. I say, let's make the killing of abortion doctors safe, legal and rare.

Of course we cannot judge nor condemn anyone for that act nor any other: Not your job. But you know darned good and well we can and should condemn each of everyones sinful ACTS, including our own, or rather, accept Gods condemnation of them. Even if one is convinced "life begins at erection," abortion doctors can at least plausibly claim ignorance of the human beings they kill: No one who murders the doctors can. Do not sit there rationalizing the murder of undeniable human beings, then claim to believe the thing you just tried to justify at length unjustified. Lying is also a sin.

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Re: A murderer is not going to be murdering anyone else. THAT is the point, not punishment. TyrReborn - 23/07/2015 04:44:52 AM 539 Views
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Will no one rid you of these troublesome abortionists, eh? Joel - 10/08/2015 09:12:23 AM 545 Views
So what do you think he would have doing for money without the tax? random thoughts - 17/07/2015 05:39:33 PM 525 Views
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why only some child molesters? random thoughts - 17/07/2015 05:40:21 PM 590 Views
All actual child molesters, not all who are convicted of such offenses. Cannoli - 18/07/2015 01:26:25 PM 580 Views
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the silly "unarmed" argument random thoughts - 17/07/2015 04:57:32 AM 583 Views
All I heard was "no one 'needs' guns." Joel - 17/07/2015 10:59:40 AM 680 Views
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Cops picked their fight with Garner, too: Why is that not tyranny? Joel - 18/07/2015 03:33:52 AM 566 Views
Re: Cops picked their fight with Garner, too: Why is that not tyranny? Cannoli - 18/07/2015 01:59:41 PM 594 Views
The above question remains, unanswered Joel - 09/08/2015 04:20:37 AM 591 Views
Sorry but almost everything you said was wrong random thoughts - 18/07/2015 02:48:44 PM 603 Views
... was exactly that. Joel - 09/08/2015 04:23:54 AM 528 Views
Sorry but almost everything you said was wrong random thoughts - 18/07/2015 02:48:45 PM 585 Views
OK Not an respond to what I said? random thoughts - 17/07/2015 05:29:55 PM 590 Views
Sure it was: Since the unarmed and armed have equally lethal force, guns are needless Joel - 18/07/2015 03:40:10 AM 532 Views
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BOTH are problems for everyone; one is just more serious because systemic and promoting the other Joel - 09/08/2015 04:25:00 AM 562 Views
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