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It's a very different thing, even. Legolas Send a noteboard - 04/11/2009 06:11:15 PM
Also, an analogy that is as close to the same thing as you can get is every time someone on this site posts something from some scientist throwing doubt on the current dogma of AGW, they are pilloried for ever having any tie, even the most remote, to oil companies or the like. They aren't even getting rich off of anything, they just may have at some point gotten a grant or something from one of the "despised" and that somehow is supposed to render them and their research as completely moot. But here Al Gore is getting personally rich off of the actions of the government that he lobbies and none of you have any issue with that. Apparently no matter how sleazy his actions look, he's going to remain St Al, the bringer of truth.

I'll just ignore your final sentence, on account of it being bitter ranting without much relevance to the real world. But as for the rest:

Just like Gore is not a VP (anymore) who is in a position to abuse his office for personal gain, he's also not a scientist who needs to take care to appear independent lest he casts doubt on the objectivity of his results. He's a high-profile lobbyist and figurehead for the anti-global warming movement, nobody expects him to be objective or to do his own scientific research. His message gains credibility not from him, but from the many scientists who agree with it, in particular the IPCC. If we were talking about IPCC scientists or other important researchers on the topic, it would be a different story. Gore is just like any other high-profile lobbyist, trying to convince politicians to pass laws that they claim are generally beneficial but that they also stand to benefit from themselves. That is of course not a good thing, even if Gore's pet cause has more obvious benefits for the population at large than most lobbyists' causes, but it's very different from biased scientists, and from government officials abusing their position. If you want to get back at the people who complained about Cheney, you're going to have to do better than that.

I will however say, in trzaska's defense, that his comment "Nothing wrong with making a buck, but it is time to realize that both sides come to the table with certain motivations" is certainly true, and that I don't actually think most of the people replying disagree with that. Unfortunately, his reputation precedes him, and people reply to argue against points that he actually never made in this post - he never said what Gore did was illegal or corrupt, nor even that it was that reprehensible.
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Even for AGW supporters, it's all about the other "green"..... - 03/11/2009 04:09:37 PM 949 Views
Wait... Where is the problem? I'm lost as to what is wrong here. - 03/11/2009 04:32:47 PM 636 Views
profits are fine when it it a private money - 03/11/2009 06:33:01 PM 642 Views
Re: profits are fine when it it a private money - 04/11/2009 10:33:28 PM 578 Views
yeah... I'm with callandor. Are you saying that they're corrupt in some way? - 03/11/2009 04:44:10 PM 622 Views
Corrupt no, but biased and motivated to make sure the AGW "crisis" endures..... - 03/11/2009 04:50:48 PM 603 Views
I don't really believe in Global Warming. - 03/11/2009 04:59:26 PM 599 Views
agreement *NM* - 03/11/2009 05:10:04 PM 303 Views
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You both are idiots. - 03/11/2009 05:35:57 PM 595 Views
Charming as ever..... *NM* - 04/11/2009 12:20:37 AM 304 Views
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Re: You both are idiots. - 05/11/2009 06:22:00 PM 591 Views
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Man invests in company that does business the way he wants them to. - 03/11/2009 05:30:24 PM 593 Views
a pushes government to spend a lot of money and then pockets a huge amount of it. Details at 9 *NM* - 03/11/2009 06:36:56 PM 323 Views
That's how lobbying works, yes... *NM* - 04/11/2009 12:49:44 AM 318 Views
You endorse lobbying for personal gain? - 04/11/2009 03:34:02 AM 593 Views
No. But I don't think he's lobbying for personal gain. - 04/11/2009 03:43:08 AM 619 Views
If his motives are so pure, then he shouldn't be in charge of his investments. - 04/11/2009 03:49:50 AM 557 Views
What makes you think I particularly care about Al Gore? - 04/11/2009 07:59:56 PM 596 Views
Isn't he the same guy who uses ten times as much energy as his neighbors - 04/11/2009 06:16:14 PM 615 Views
Maybe he is. - 04/11/2009 08:03:53 PM 567 Views
The only thing I reason I have a problem is it is public money - 05/11/2009 07:22:12 PM 593 Views
I don't see a problem here - 03/11/2009 06:29:46 PM 588 Views
Agreed. *NM* - 04/11/2009 12:49:48 AM 306 Views
Sounds more like you're protesting efficiency ... *NM* - 04/11/2009 03:18:07 AM 303 Views
Change your words to "Cheney" and "Halliburton" if you want to see them all switch their replies. - 04/11/2009 03:29:32 AM 681 Views
Cheney didn't endorse petrochemical ideals before he was part of Halliburton, to my knowledge. - 04/11/2009 03:44:33 AM 596 Views
Of course you don't. - 04/11/2009 03:51:56 AM 582 Views
Never fear, Ghavrel. I agree with you. - 04/11/2009 01:41:00 PM 652 Views
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If we must - 04/11/2009 02:53:04 PM 604 Views
See your noteboard. - 04/11/2009 04:59:20 PM 614 Views
to you knowledge did he oppose them? - 04/11/2009 06:19:16 PM 617 Views
You're not wrong at all. - 04/11/2009 07:56:25 PM 595 Views
Re: You're not wrong at all. - 05/11/2009 07:33:08 PM 588 Views
If my assumption seems highly reasonable? Then no, that's about right. - 06/11/2009 01:24:48 AM 574 Views
Cheney supported oil exploration before he ran Halliburton *NM* - 07/11/2009 06:39:33 AM 309 Views
Cool. Then his investment in that company isn't a problem. - 08/11/2009 01:00:14 AM 552 Views
Cheney was Vice-President. - 04/11/2009 02:44:55 PM 607 Views
Of course it isn't the exact same thing, but few analogies are. - 04/11/2009 05:16:34 PM 589 Views
It's a very different thing, even. - 04/11/2009 06:11:15 PM 603 Views
I don't believe anyone is saying he shouldn't be allowed to do it - 05/11/2009 07:41:14 PM 585 Views
And you choose to ignore my entire post, or what? - 05/11/2009 09:41:21 PM 565 Views
The Nobel committee seems to be rather found of him - 06/11/2009 04:43:10 PM 609 Views
Capitalist invests in companies who work towards the same cause as he does? Shocking. - 04/11/2009 03:12:52 PM 537 Views
Well - 04/11/2009 05:18:50 PM 613 Views
The US is a communist country. - 05/11/2009 09:59:16 PM 562 Views

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