I have an immense dislike for organized religion, but... I don't blame them. They have no choice.
lord-of-shadow Send a noteboard - 15/11/2009 08:17:11 AM
The headlines are misleading. At first glance, it reads like the Church is using their charities as political leverage to advance their political agenda, seemingly flying in the face of a mission that should be more important than politics. If you read the article, it turns out that, from the Church's point of view, they have no choice. The anti-discrimination portion of the law would require them to recognize the gay marriages, which is very much not OK for the Church. So if they want to continue the charities, they are left with two options:
1. Break the law by not recognizing the marriages of any gay employees, and therefore land the church in legal trouble.
2. Recognize marriages that their religious views are incompatible with.
Neither one of those choices are acceptable to them in any way, so their only choice under the current wording of the law is to cancel the programs. And as much as I despise the Catholic Church, I can hardly blame them for this logic. And I'm sure it's a very hard choice for the church leadership to have to make.
1. Break the law by not recognizing the marriages of any gay employees, and therefore land the church in legal trouble.
2. Recognize marriages that their religious views are incompatible with.
Neither one of those choices are acceptable to them in any way, so their only choice under the current wording of the law is to cancel the programs. And as much as I despise the Catholic Church, I can hardly blame them for this logic. And I'm sure it's a very hard choice for the church leadership to have to make.
This message last edited by lord-of-shadow on 15/11/2009 at 08:18:06 AM
and Politics/ Catholic Church will cut aid to the homeless and the poor, if gay marriage is allowed
14/11/2009 03:25:48 PM
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I was not raised in a religious home.
14/11/2009 04:42:25 PM
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I have two questions which are only partially related to the topic:
14/11/2009 06:09:35 PM
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First question: exactly one second, if you hit the right button. *NM*
14/11/2009 06:29:46 PM
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Re: I was not raised in a religious home.
16/11/2009 09:49:48 PM
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Ugh. Substitutionary atonement.
17/11/2009 02:46:27 AM
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*asks a question*
17/11/2009 03:54:52 PM
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Well, it often leads to the nonsensical "you have to accept said substitution for it to work."
18/11/2009 12:00:59 AM
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Evil ?
15/11/2009 12:12:40 AM
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That's not a bad point, but it doesn't really apply here...
15/11/2009 12:23:51 AM
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agreement
15/11/2009 01:34:31 AM
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Hindo, Hindid, Hindone. *NM*
15/11/2009 07:24:07 AM
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You gotta admit the old spelling of "Hindoo" is pretty cool. Or at least funny. *NM*
15/11/2009 12:51:03 PM
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It is seperate in the eyes of the law and the catholic church
15/11/2009 01:59:44 AM
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Was that supposed to be a reply to me? Do you disagree with anything I said? *NM*
15/11/2009 11:18:58 AM
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In response to the second paragraph of yours
15/11/2009 01:13:16 PM
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Yeah, but see, when it's actually two separate ceremonies, the difference is clear.
15/11/2009 07:34:49 PM
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And yet non-religious heterosexual people get married all the time. *NM*
15/11/2009 12:43:27 AM
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Edit : I see what you mean
15/11/2009 12:45:27 PM
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Yes evil
15/11/2009 02:15:43 AM
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You actually have it backwards....
16/11/2009 10:13:14 PM
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That's the difference between "good" religious people and, say, secular humanists
18/11/2009 05:39:34 AM
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I think that is probably a bit unfair
18/11/2009 11:19:02 AM
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Perhaps... but secular humanists are unlikely to refuse aid because of differing beliefs *NM*
26/11/2009 01:03:41 AM
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Yes, how DARE they not spend their money and time as they choose!
15/11/2009 01:24:23 AM
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Yes the church isn't required to do anything
15/11/2009 02:14:15 AM
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Your opinions on what God wants are irrelevant - the Church is the ultimate authority on that topic *NM*
16/11/2009 03:59:29 AM
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According to this current pope
16/11/2009 05:28:13 AM
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Marriage is a Sacrament, you know. *NM*
16/11/2009 08:40:38 AM
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Yes, because Jesus would definitely leverage the poor and needy against politicians. *NM*
15/11/2009 03:18:12 AM
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"The poor you will always have with you..."
16/11/2009 03:57:10 AM
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Wondered how they escaped their city's destruction and survived the intervening centuries, probably. *NM*
16/11/2009 04:54:58 AM
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Wow, this post is so crazy that you got me and Cannoli to agree.....
15/11/2009 01:34:06 AM
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*&%(*#$&#@($&(& up George Steinbrenner's *#^%& sideways. *NM*
15/11/2009 02:00:13 AM
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You see what you did? Cannoli's mind is now broken.....happy? *NM*
15/11/2009 04:42:07 AM
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I have an immense dislike for organized religion, but... I don't blame them. They have no choice.
15/11/2009 08:17:11 AM
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In theory you are correct, but that isn't what the catholic church does in reality
15/11/2009 01:27:08 PM
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Or option 3 - argue their case for separation in court in which case they would likely win. *NM*
15/11/2009 07:34:14 PM
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Look at it this way Roland00
16/11/2009 09:35:02 PM
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This is the bit I have a problem with.
16/11/2009 11:58:07 PM
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Its cool....a civil debate is possible.
17/11/2009 04:03:11 PM
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Once again, something jumps out at me.
17/11/2009 05:23:20 PM
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Are you startled often?
17/11/2009 06:06:58 PM
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Just because they jump at me doesn't mean I jump in reaction.
17/11/2009 07:54:24 PM
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Oh, don't give me that....
17/11/2009 09:27:13 PM
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