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Pft, so you say. nossy Send a noteboard - 10/12/2009 08:19:00 PM
Perhaps I am overly critical, but with nearly 7 billion mouths to feed and nearly three decades of living through various 'food scares' I have grown rather distressed over these matters. I actually have much respect for Salatin, and am an organic grower myself, though a notorious cheater, just harvested some last fresh brocolli from my garden even though there's snow on the ground, making a nice soup of it right now in the crockpot. I expect to harvest more from my garden this year, on account of some of those organic methods.

I don't think it's overly critical;), but I also find it unlikely that I'd be in this particular conversation with one of the destitute mouths that has trouble feeding itself. This is more about debating the input at the time, knowing potential dangers and deciding what to avoid (or not) if one has the means, not banning things from those who need the savings. Healthy food is something I choose to purchase, even though that means my meal budget is major compared to where it once was.:P

As with all these things, the simple answer is a diversified diet, not eating too much of one thing, not spending twice as much for a product which may even be inferior to standard agriculture. Not under producing from land that could be feeding more mouths because it appeals to people to buy food they think is somehow safer or superior when the facts simply do not support their claims.

I agree, but you're adding meaning to the article. It says only that several experts have opinions on several practices/products. As I said, I can admit bias, but then I am also biased against Lowe's Garden Centers because I know that typically their product does not equal that at my Garden Center. It doesn't mean they cannot shop there, but we have to remember that bias isn't always a white lie, nor an ultimatum.;)


For all the ranting people engage in about our government, the FDA and USDA do a very good job protecting us from harmful products, and I think we should give them a bit of trust. In the name of glorious organic farming, I have heard people say the Haber-Bosch process itself produces fertilizer that is dangerous because it is made from ammonia, and has nitrates in it, and I have little tolerance for those who spread or even fail to confront such nonsense. And, having noted your comment about having an AG degree, I remind you that it is our job as scientists to confront such things, with zero tolerance for any exageration of the facts.

I can't have zero tolerance, because someone else is always going to have different "facts" from what I know. I respect the purely scientific viewpoint, but it isn't completely appropriate for everyday discourse. I agree that hyperbole isn't appropriate either, but we cannot be unyielding in this discussion. I actually would want/expect to see something like these replies occurring after a post like mine, so I'm glad they did. Discussing different viewpoints is how we learn.

Edit: Happy Birthday, by the way ;)

Thank you.:D
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/food: The 7 foods experts won't eat nossy - 10/12/2009 01:04:04 AM 1122 Views
Our potatoes have been sprouting since, well... ever. And I don't think we buy them organic. *NM* Ghavrel - 10/12/2009 01:11:45 AM 473 Views
Our eyes grow and green up a little, but that's minor compared to when you buy organic. nossy - 10/12/2009 02:06:37 AM 714 Views
Maybe. Ours start putting out those little bud... things. *NM* Ghavrel - 10/12/2009 02:32:28 AM 339 Views
Yeah. The "eyes" bud. nossy - 10/12/2009 02:58:16 AM 705 Views
Sheesh. danskyw4lker - 10/12/2009 01:16:03 AM 791 Views
Joel Salatin is my hero. *NM* Mad Cow Bomber - 10/12/2009 02:46:41 AM 568 Views
I really have to challenge many of these Isaac - 10/12/2009 03:36:05 AM 744 Views
And that is fine. Read the opening paragraph. It's not a scientific study. nossy - 10/12/2009 02:29:53 PM 759 Views
Nevertheless... Isaac - 10/12/2009 03:14:19 PM 762 Views
Omg, you are such a party-pooper! nossy - 10/12/2009 05:26:18 PM 701 Views
LOL, I actually am not the bane of all new ideas Isaac - 10/12/2009 06:19:06 PM 695 Views
but ag degrees and education make us biased, didn't you know that? LadyLorraine - 10/12/2009 06:28:44 PM 735 Views
Re: but ag degrees and education make us biased, didn't you know that? Isaac - 10/12/2009 07:01:14 PM 765 Views
hot dogs are one of those things that ARE just horrible LadyLorraine - 10/12/2009 07:08:09 PM 750 Views
Eeeeyuck Isaac - 10/12/2009 07:18:10 PM 788 Views
Pft, so you say. nossy - 10/12/2009 08:19:00 PM 752 Views
omigod cheese didn't you read that bit about ARTIFICIAL HORMONES?!?!?! LadyLorraine - 10/12/2009 06:22:11 PM 640 Views
You wouldn't believe the dangers involved in cheese Isaac - 10/12/2009 07:08:48 PM 699 Views
did you know instead of bacteria... LadyLorraine - 10/12/2009 07:15:15 PM 667 Views
I'm pretty sure I just took a pill with about 500 million bacteria in it. Is that bad for me too? nossy - 10/12/2009 07:18:29 PM 582 Views
dihydrogen monoxide should not be ignored!! LadyLorraine - 10/12/2009 07:20:59 PM 741 Views
T'is my civic duty Isaac - 10/12/2009 07:30:42 PM 726 Views
he's one of the mega-nerd professors who has a grudge. LadyLorraine - 10/12/2009 07:41:19 PM 652 Views
Probably not even a trekkie either Isaac - 10/12/2009 07:53:17 PM 647 Views
LOL, just found this Isaac - 12/12/2009 10:24:59 AM 795 Views
Potentially fatal, you know salmonella is a bacteria right? Isaac - 10/12/2009 07:40:54 PM 686 Views
Thank you *NM* motionsickness - 10/12/2009 03:01:32 PM 438 Views
Hmm. cabbage - 10/12/2009 04:52:48 AM 775 Views
You don't eat apples? danskyw4lker - 10/12/2009 05:13:56 AM 742 Views
I do, but not the ones he's talking about. *NM* cabbage - 10/12/2009 01:04:16 PM 344 Views
Health aside, farmed Salmon just tastes a bit horrible. Liam - 10/12/2009 11:57:34 AM 722 Views
that would depend on how it has been farmed. *NM* jh - 10/12/2009 01:08:33 PM 324 Views
Probably. I guess I've just been unlucky. *NM* Liam - 10/12/2009 01:31:15 PM 374 Views
Meh. LiterateDog - 10/12/2009 12:19:18 PM 562 Views
See what I said to Isaac. nossy - 10/12/2009 02:33:24 PM 726 Views
I'm always a bit dubious on food health scare stories snoopcester - 10/12/2009 12:34:29 PM 571 Views
Remember when tomatoes gave you cancer? *NM* cabbage - 10/12/2009 05:31:50 PM 348 Views
Yeah.... ah, good times *NM* snoopcester - 10/12/2009 05:36:10 PM 333 Views
Hm. I actually refuse to eat non-farmed marine fish of any kind. Morgawse - 10/12/2009 01:24:26 PM 799 Views
Rod caught tuna snoopcester - 10/12/2009 05:37:42 PM 669 Views
There aren't enough tuna left. Morgawse - 10/12/2009 06:25:19 PM 685 Views
aren't there a few species that are actually better to harvest? LadyLorraine - 10/12/2009 06:30:42 PM 608 Views
If you catch them with rods, I suspect it is sustainable. jh - 10/12/2009 08:17:49 PM 830 Views
who the hell wants to fish in the middle of the ocean?? LadyLorraine - 10/12/2009 08:29:43 PM 679 Views
You'd totally have to be on a boat or something. jh - 10/12/2009 09:55:20 PM 648 Views
I love deep sea fishing. *NM* Rebekah - 10/12/2009 11:50:39 PM 360 Views
weirdly enough, i don't get sick on boats. LadyLorraine - 10/12/2009 11:54:34 PM 743 Views
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