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That third point is going a bit far. Legolas Send a noteboard - 12/01/2010 10:06:08 PM
3. Basically, although you probably won't admit it to yourself, the only reason for claiming AAE isn't a language is racism. You can't base such an argument on any characteristic of AAE itself, because not a single relevant fact supports that conclusion. No matter how much people try to dress it up, in the end it boils down to saying that the way white people speak is good, and the way black people speak is bad.

There are lots of dialects and sociolects in English - or in most other languages - that most non-linguists refuse to consider as separate languages. The fact that many of those language variations lack prestige, and are associated with certain groups, doesn't help of course, but that's not the main reason. The main reason is that people (including the actual speakers of AAE and the others) have political, ideological and practical reasons for viewing AAE and other dialects/sociolects as variations of English and not separate languages, because if they were as willing as linguists to see them as different languages, the variations would grow further apart and at some point in the future there might not be a common Standard English anymore. A situation somewhat along those lines exists with Flemish and "standard" Dutch, with the various kinds of Arabic, and I'm sure many other language situations.

So while MightyYT's way of phrasing it was somewhat offensive, I think you're exaggerating by accusing him of racism just because he doesn't think AAE is a separate language - I'm guessing it's part of a general attitude he takes towards all kinds of dialects and sociolects, without race playing any particular role.
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So what EXACTLY is the problem with Reid's comments? - 12/01/2010 04:11:56 AM 1127 Views
it wasn't just that he commented on the lack of "dialect" - 12/01/2010 04:16:27 AM 795 Views
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I agree - 12/01/2010 04:36:23 AM 766 Views
That's what I was thinking... - 12/01/2010 08:52:32 AM 773 Views
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A week or so ago. - 12/01/2010 08:09:09 PM 708 Views
About a day for me. - 12/01/2010 10:33:40 PM 774 Views
Yeah, I'm back in Boston now, so... - 13/01/2010 03:33:38 AM 654 Views
Isn't that the definition of a wigger? A white person who speaks/acts like a black person? - 12/01/2010 09:49:34 PM 729 Views
So black person = N****r? Reid's looking better and better. *NM* - 12/01/2010 10:34:37 PM 342 Views
You know Tim isn't saying that. - 12/01/2010 10:43:43 PM 723 Views
Um, what? - 13/01/2010 06:55:21 AM 713 Views
And the fact that Wigger = White N****r isn't racist at all! *NM* - 12/01/2010 10:33:04 PM 368 Views
I wasn't using the term seriously 9_9 - 13/01/2010 04:26:20 AM 694 Views
The problem is he's a politician - 12/01/2010 04:35:51 AM 800 Views
because that would solve our problems. *NM* - 12/01/2010 04:37:18 AM 328 Views
You know, what IS a good term for black people these days? - 12/01/2010 04:36:33 AM 796 Views
technically... - 12/01/2010 04:39:51 AM 772 Views
i know, right? *NM* - 12/01/2010 06:11:33 AM 340 Views
I just use "black" - 12/01/2010 02:27:16 PM 686 Views
yah, that's what i typically do... - 12/01/2010 02:28:39 PM 762 Views
I agree. Say what you mean. - 12/01/2010 10:03:37 PM 739 Views
How many "black" people do you know that are truely black? - 13/01/2010 05:10:44 AM 678 Views
how many white people do you know are WHITE? *NM* - 13/01/2010 05:26:36 AM 315 Views
Why is it OK to discriminate on the grounds of language but not race? - 12/01/2010 08:23:21 AM 880 Views
Please tell me you were joking... *NM* - 12/01/2010 01:29:37 PM 306 Views
Not in the least. I thought you knew me better than that. - 12/01/2010 09:44:59 PM 683 Views
Ah! You were looking for an active rebuttal - 13/01/2010 01:48:20 PM 670 Views
It is okay to discriminate based on language... - 12/01/2010 01:40:18 PM 766 Views
Your AAE is a language the way that Pig Latin is a language. - 12/01/2010 06:38:35 PM 715 Views
I don't even know where to begin. - 12/01/2010 09:43:21 PM 802 Views
That third point is going a bit far. - 12/01/2010 10:06:08 PM 767 Views
You're right, I was conflating two separate points. - 12/01/2010 10:14:48 PM 702 Views
Well, it still only applies... - 12/01/2010 10:24:08 PM 847 Views
That it was a stupid thing to say? - 12/01/2010 09:49:05 AM 770 Views
this. *NM* - 12/01/2010 01:07:46 PM 335 Views
Who seriously uses the term "Negro dialect" anymore? - 13/01/2010 02:00:15 AM 695 Views
the subject is race. and party lines. - 13/01/2010 05:27:39 AM 673 Views
Powell, Rice and Steele. Just food for thought. *NM* - 13/01/2010 08:12:18 PM 393 Views

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