You ascribe too much intelligence to the average American racist 
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Tim Send a noteboard - 12/01/2010 10:30:39 PM
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Tim Send a noteboard - 12/01/2010 10:30:39 PM
1: "AAE is bad English and people shouldn't speak it". This is what I assumed MightyYT meant, due to his abrupt wording. If I've misunderstood him, I hope he'll correct me. However, if this is what he meant, I stand by my comments: it is racism, pure and simple, even though most of the people who say it wouldn't consider themselves racists.
if he feels that way only about AAE, and not about more "white" sociolects with low prestige. And even if he does, it would be a prejudice against a cultural community more than against an actual race - not all black Americans speak AAE, and black foreigners obviously don't at all. Of course, if we're gonna go down that route, you could probably dismiss 80% or more of "racist" views or statements as not being strictly based on race, leaving only actual white supremacists as genuine racists.
Take a poorly-educated white American racist who expresses his racism by railing against the "bad English" spoken by blacks, while having no problem with white-trash English. Do you honestly think he's thought through his beliefs enough to worry about logical inconsistencies involving how blacks outside America speak?
Vigilantibus non dormientibus jura subveniunt.
—Nous disons en allemand : le guerre, le mort, le lune, alors que 'soleil' et 'amour' sont du sexe féminin : la soleil, la amour. La vie est neutre.
—La vie ? Neutre ? C'est très joli, et surtout très logique.
—Nous disons en allemand : le guerre, le mort, le lune, alors que 'soleil' et 'amour' sont du sexe féminin : la soleil, la amour. La vie est neutre.
—La vie ? Neutre ? C'est très joli, et surtout très logique.
So what EXACTLY is the problem with Reid's comments?
- 12/01/2010 04:11:56 AM
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it wasn't just that he commented on the lack of "dialect"
- 12/01/2010 04:16:27 AM
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Regardless of that, I don't see the ability to use dialect as a racist statement.
- 12/01/2010 04:32:07 AM
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when was the last time you heard a white person speaking ebonics?
- 12/01/2010 01:41:24 PM
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A week or so ago.
- 12/01/2010 08:09:09 PM
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Isn't that the definition of a wigger? A white person who speaks/acts like a black person?
- 12/01/2010 09:49:34 PM
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And the fact that Wigger = White N****r isn't racist at all! *NM*
- 12/01/2010 10:33:04 PM
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I wasn't using the term seriously 9_9
- 13/01/2010 04:26:20 AM
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Mocking white people for "acting like black people" by modifying a slur on blacks... hm... *NM*
- 13/01/2010 06:50:46 AM
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You know, what IS a good term for black people these days?
- 12/01/2010 04:36:33 AM
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I just use "black"
- 12/01/2010 02:27:16 PM
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Why is it OK to discriminate on the grounds of language but not race?
- 12/01/2010 08:23:21 AM
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Please tell me you were joking... *NM*
- 12/01/2010 01:29:37 PM
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Your AAE is a language the way that Pig Latin is a language.
- 12/01/2010 06:38:35 PM
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You know, arguing what a language is with a linguist is pretty much set up for failure *NM*
- 12/01/2010 07:58:42 PM
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I recall having a similar discussion on this very topic a few years ago with Tim.
- 12/01/2010 08:10:53 PM
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Re: I recall having a similar discussion on this very topic a few years ago with Tim.
- 12/01/2010 09:06:01 PM
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Maybe, but having knowledge of the topic wasn't one of my advantages in that argument. 
*NM*
- 13/01/2010 03:36:31 AM
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*NM*
- 13/01/2010 03:36:31 AM
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I don't even know where to begin.
- 12/01/2010 09:43:21 PM
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That third point is going a bit far.
- 12/01/2010 10:06:08 PM
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You're right, I was conflating two separate points.
- 12/01/2010 10:14:48 PM
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Well, it still only applies...
- 12/01/2010 10:24:08 PM
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You ascribe too much intelligence to the average American racist .
- 12/01/2010 10:30:39 PM
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- 12/01/2010 10:30:39 PM
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You're guessing at people's motives and making what appear to be broad, unsupported assertions
- 12/01/2010 11:04:47 PM
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I don't mean they're racist in all respects.
- 13/01/2010 06:52:20 AM
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Your defintion of racism and sexism seems to massively differ from mine
- 13/01/2010 03:37:46 PM
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I had to think about this for a few days, but I've now worked out my answer.
- 16/01/2010 01:59:25 PM
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I had no problems with them. And I don't even like the guy and hope he loses his reelection battle.
- 12/01/2010 03:32:42 PM
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Who seriously uses the term "Negro dialect" anymore?
- 13/01/2010 02:00:15 AM
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It's not the word "Negro" in "Magic Negro" that's the most offensive part. *NM*
- 13/01/2010 09:16:20 AM
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