The Pope should resign and the Church needs to reform itself.
Tom Send a noteboard - 11/04/2010 04:58:57 AM
These sex scandals are a lot more widespread and pervasive than what is reported. The parish priest for the town that I went to high school in ended up leaving the Church because he said he couldn't sit on a church committee paying out victim after victim with a clear conscience. Some of the people were obviously lying and out for money, but in most cases the Church itself had received evidence that the accused had been guilty of wrongdoing.
It is not normal, natural or healthy for people to be celibate, particularly not in the modern world where the Church's hold on "the Truth" has been shattered and its own peculiar dogma no longer has common acceptance. I've known many good, honest priests who are genuinely spiritual people, but we have to face the fact that a lot of people join the priesthood because they feel that whatever sexual urges they are having are not "right" and the priesthood helps them actively suppress those urges. In an era when homosexuality no longer bears any stigma, the feeling that one's urges are not "right" can only come from activities that are truly wrong - paedophilia, necrophilia, zoophilia, rape, or sex combined with murder.
I think the Church should adopt the common practice (usage) that the Eastern Churches have held since before the schism - to receive a parish, a priest must be married. The only celibate clergy are monks and priests whose spouses have died (but only such celibate clergy are allowed to become bishops, metropolitans or patriarchs).
It is not normal, natural or healthy for people to be celibate, particularly not in the modern world where the Church's hold on "the Truth" has been shattered and its own peculiar dogma no longer has common acceptance. I've known many good, honest priests who are genuinely spiritual people, but we have to face the fact that a lot of people join the priesthood because they feel that whatever sexual urges they are having are not "right" and the priesthood helps them actively suppress those urges. In an era when homosexuality no longer bears any stigma, the feeling that one's urges are not "right" can only come from activities that are truly wrong - paedophilia, necrophilia, zoophilia, rape, or sex combined with murder.
I think the Church should adopt the common practice (usage) that the Eastern Churches have held since before the schism - to receive a parish, a priest must be married. The only celibate clergy are monks and priests whose spouses have died (but only such celibate clergy are allowed to become bishops, metropolitans or patriarchs).
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.
ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
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ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
*MySmiley*
Future Pope stalled on removing child molesting priest, even though the Bishop wanted him defrocked
11/04/2010 04:45:25 AM
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The Pope should resign and the Church needs to reform itself.
11/04/2010 04:58:57 AM
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Yeah...
11/04/2010 07:57:39 AM
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^ This idiot hasn't electrocuted himself yet? *NM*
11/04/2010 01:20:22 PM
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Ad hominem attacks...
11/04/2010 04:28:38 PM
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They're only ad hominem when the target is a human being, so that wasn't. *NM*
11/04/2010 04:34:21 PM
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I really don't think you understand the concept of "ad hominem"
11/04/2010 04:43:33 PM
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My gift to you.
11/04/2010 04:48:22 PM
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Thanks.
11/04/2010 06:49:18 PM
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They do?
11/04/2010 05:59:59 PM
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They sure do.
11/04/2010 06:54:24 PM
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Oh yes. And no married man or minister has EVER molested children.
12/04/2010 12:00:40 PM
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And so the problem of having a theoretical ultimate power in anthing shows itself.
11/04/2010 05:09:46 AM
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There is a power greater than Benedict/Ratzinger, a power greater than the pope on earth
11/04/2010 05:22:04 AM
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I really don't think there are ever going to be Ecumenical councils again.
11/04/2010 05:44:07 PM
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I find their continual insistence that nothing inappropriate on Ratzinger's part occured sickening.
11/04/2010 05:20:15 AM
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He can resign, and the pope is not infallible
11/04/2010 05:30:45 AM
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Re: He can resign, and the pope is not infallible
11/04/2010 05:52:10 AM
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I can't excuse stupidity or people who don't understand their faith
11/04/2010 06:03:27 AM
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knowledge? Understanding?
11/04/2010 04:49:14 PM
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The only people I've ever seen say that are atheists, actually. It's a fun little strawman. *NM*
11/04/2010 10:44:56 PM
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I fail to see the problem.
11/04/2010 07:55:42 AM
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They've resigned before. *NM*
12/04/2010 08:43:21 AM
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Not in the last 595 years.
12/04/2010 05:53:10 PM
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I guess Roman Catholicism doesn't have quite the orthodoxy it claims to, then. *NM*
12/04/2010 06:06:54 PM
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By the way, "Future Pope" makes me think of a cyborg in a big gold and white hat. *NM*
12/04/2010 07:00:31 AM
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Could someone explain how an administrative matter invalidates any religious status?
12/04/2010 12:40:33 PM
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