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That is an absolute crock Cannoli Send a noteboard - 12/04/2010 11:42:58 AM
There is a power greater than Benedict/Ratzinger, a power greater than the pope on earth and that is called a Ecumenical council. When a Ecumenical council gathers they can change "the rules" of the church. The Ecumenical council in past has dethroned popes, and other times popes have been hold in line via threats to hold a Ecumenical council to dethrone the pope.

Now the victors write the history book, according to the Catholic church there has been never a pope that was "forced" out of the church. No they just "resigned" and a new pope was elected by the cardinals to replace him (for example the East/West schism, where there was 3 simultaneous popes, they weren't kicked out, no they resigned for the good of the church :rolleyes: )

I will let someone (such as Tom) explain more about the history behind this.
Well your version IS deficient. You claim that people should understand what they believe, so why don't you support your assertion that at the Council of Constance those resignations (and IIRC one of the antipopes never did resign, but claimed to be pope for the rest of his life) were NOT what they claimed to be? In fact there have been perfectly legitimate popes who opposed so-called councils that claimed authority over them and never gave in or accepted their authority. How can the "winners write the history books" argument be used to support your claim that the Popes & the advocates of Papal supremacy were sometimes defeated? If they WERE defeated, would not one of those victorious councils have promulgated the doctrine of Concilar Supremacy? How is that the advocates of Papal Supremacy got their version into the history books...unless they won, meaning the Pope IS supreme?
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Future Pope stalled on removing child molesting priest, even though the Bishop wanted him defrocked Roland00 - 11/04/2010 04:45:25 AM 460 Views
The Pope should resign and the Church needs to reform itself. Tom - 11/04/2010 04:58:57 AM 117 Views
Yeah... Dragonsoul - 11/04/2010 07:57:39 AM 136 Views
^ This idiot hasn't electrocuted himself yet? *NM* Tom - 11/04/2010 01:20:22 PM 46 Views
No, electricity is a sin where he's from? *NM* jh - 11/04/2010 01:48:15 PM 42 Views
Ad hominem attacks... Dragonsoul - 11/04/2010 04:28:38 PM 97 Views
They're only ad hominem when the target is a human being, so that wasn't. *NM* Tom - 11/04/2010 04:34:21 PM 46 Views
Creative. Dragonsoul - 11/04/2010 07:00:06 PM 86 Views
I really don't think you understand the concept of "ad hominem" LadyLorraine - 11/04/2010 04:43:33 PM 95 Views
It has become his favorite reply. LiterateDog - 11/04/2010 05:00:36 PM 85 Views
Probably a well-meaning English teacher. LadyLorraine - 11/04/2010 05:46:26 PM 64 Views
Look. Dragonsoul - 11/04/2010 06:59:21 PM 86 Views
My gift to you. LiterateDog - 11/04/2010 04:48:22 PM 101 Views
Now that looks like an ad Filium Dei attack Tom - 11/04/2010 05:10:06 PM 75 Views
Attack? Are you crazy? LiterateDog - 11/04/2010 05:21:09 PM 70 Views
Thanks. Dragonsoul - 11/04/2010 06:49:18 PM 83 Views
No, thank you. You're an inspiration to us all. *NM* LiterateDog - 11/04/2010 06:51:14 PM 47 Views
Well now you flatter me too much. Dragonsoul - 11/04/2010 06:55:27 PM 75 Views
They do? Legolas - 11/04/2010 05:59:59 PM 92 Views
They sure do. Dragonsoul - 11/04/2010 06:54:24 PM 79 Views
Sorry, I don't see it. Legolas - 11/04/2010 08:45:47 PM 78 Views
No apology neccessary. Dragonsoul - 11/04/2010 09:45:31 PM 69 Views
Oh yes. And no married man or minister has EVER molested children. Cannoli - 12/04/2010 12:00:40 PM 88 Views
And so the problem of having a theoretical ultimate power in anthing shows itself. Dannymac - 11/04/2010 05:09:46 AM 76 Views
There is a power greater than Benedict/Ratzinger, a power greater than the pope on earth Roland00 - 11/04/2010 05:22:04 AM 84 Views
I really don't think there are ever going to be Ecumenical councils again. Legolas - 11/04/2010 05:44:07 PM 70 Views
That is an absolute crock Cannoli - 12/04/2010 11:42:58 AM 87 Views
I find their continual insistence that nothing inappropriate on Ratzinger's part occured sickening. everynametaken - 11/04/2010 05:20:15 AM 87 Views
He can resign, and the pope is not infallible Roland00 - 11/04/2010 05:30:45 AM 75 Views
Re: He can resign, and the pope is not infallible everynametaken - 11/04/2010 05:52:10 AM 78 Views
I can't excuse stupidity or people who don't understand their faith Roland00 - 11/04/2010 06:03:27 AM 86 Views
knowledge? Understanding? LadyLorraine - 11/04/2010 04:49:14 PM 96 Views
The only people I've ever seen say that are atheists, actually. It's a fun little strawman. *NM* Ghavrel - 11/04/2010 10:44:56 PM 45 Views
well, then I'm mocking atheists LadyLorraine - 11/04/2010 11:48:24 PM 60 Views
Ah. Ghavrel - 12/04/2010 07:18:11 AM 54 Views
It wasn't a strawman Roland00 - 12/04/2010 08:01:21 AM 63 Views
Your comments above had absolutely nothing to do with my post. Ghavrel - 12/04/2010 08:42:45 AM 55 Views
I fail to see the problem. Dragonsoul - 11/04/2010 07:55:42 AM 104 Views
They've resigned before. *NM* Ghavrel - 12/04/2010 08:43:21 AM 42 Views
Not in the last 595 years. Dragonsoul - 12/04/2010 05:53:10 PM 68 Views
I guess Roman Catholicism doesn't have quite the orthodoxy it claims to, then. *NM* Ghavrel - 12/04/2010 06:06:54 PM 46 Views
By the way, "Future Pope" makes me think of a cyborg in a big gold and white hat. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 12/04/2010 07:00:31 AM 44 Views
Could someone explain how an administrative matter invalidates any religious status? Cannoli - 12/04/2010 12:40:33 PM 93 Views
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