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That's true Isaac Send a noteboard - 26/10/2010 02:02:10 AM
Wasn't the DO one of the tourists in a game? Anything can happen.


True, we've whacked a lot of people for good reasons that turned out false, that's mostly what we do on day 1 really, but if we abandon reason on these we get nowhere, and if anything it serves as a reminder to mods to be careful about such things. Look at the robot game, nothing but red herrings, and many of us said we couldn't trust logic on that one while still voting logically, why? Because there's no other alternative and we figured logic still applied to some degree or another, which was true. If character analysis is meaningless, which we are trying to establish, then we need another route. But we don't know that yet and no one has come forward with an alternate line of inquiry and I've said that the ones I can think of have a strong element of risk in them. A good portion of this game is wild-mass-guessing, we have had a lot of times where a team has won by guessing totally wrong but accidentally getting it right too, last game was a lot like that. By and large our guesswork is more productive then a hindrance though.

Let me cite an example. In a game this size our norm has been for there to be an extra NK in play, partial or total, controlled by the scummer faction, the town, or a third party. Rarely in a game this size do we have a single hitter, particularly if we're role heavy and initial indicators is that we are (to clarify, if vanillas don't make up 50% of the crew, you're technically role heavy, though in-house I'd say more like iff 5 out of our 13 players aren't vanilla we are role heavy)

Now, let's say I have concluded we probably have some other NK in play and I think its matched to characters and not in SKrull hands, and I look at your list:

The Human Torch
The Hulk
Magneto
The Punisher

The Punisher stands out as an archetype for the vig role, and MAgneto's a arch-villain and the Hulk is a story all his own. If I thought we had a extra NK in play, a vig scenario for the Punisher would be fairly logical. But let's say I knew you were the Human Torch and could scratch you off that list and there would be a need then to find someone else who might make a logical holder of a NK. Keeping to the Fantastic 4 flavor, lets say someone was the Invisible Woman, she'd be a pretty obvious choice for stealthy watcher, doesn't mean she would be, but it would be weird to bypass that character for the role, or also on the Fan 4 option, the notorious all seeing character "The Watcher" would be a logical watcher choice. Now of course, if you were the Punisher and a vig it wouldn't mean we don't have a SK but it would be less likely, but if I had info indicating you were not, because you were the torch or squirrel girl or whatever, logically I'd scratch you off the NK-likely list if I were working under the assumption that roles correlate to characters, an assumptyion that appears to be true. Scanning down the list, I don't recognize everyone, but nobody else had any ambiguously aligned (not particularly heroes) homicidal sorts, except for your Magneto and Yuna's LEx Luthor - who of course is not a Marvel Character. I'm sure you get my point, lacking much other evidence, we take what we do know and use it, it could easily be wrong but at least its not random. From what I know, the most obvious third party NK would be WF, nobody else really fits the bill. That doesn't mean he is one, and id doesn't mean we have a SK, or even another NK, on the table, but previous games have featured them a lot for parallel circumstances and thus the odds favor it. But that's the whole problem of stats, something either is or isn't, regardless of the probabilities (except in quantum mechanics) a coin will either land head or tails, its not random, its still fair to say it's 50/50 on a given flip and to act accordingly. WF had a list that screamed unlikely or third party, so I pointed it out, and he claimed something I find very unlikely, which is a classic response for a scummer in cases like this, again, doesn't mean he is but the odds are pretty strong, and we've got nothing else right now.
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
- Albert Einstein

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RAFO Mafia 19: Superlative Crisis! ISSUE ONE: ASK NOT FOR WHOM THE SKRULL TOLLS! - 18/10/2010 04:53:46 AM 2955 Views
Vote Table - 18/10/2010 04:56:23 AM 1397 Views
There is only one things I can think to say in a moment like this: - 18/10/2010 05:11:19 AM 1331 Views
No, but as a Skrull you would. - 18/10/2010 05:22:46 AM 1387 Views
What if I were a Skrull Superhero? - 18/10/2010 06:11:40 PM 1390 Views
TIME MARCHES ON! *NM* - 18/10/2010 05:11:34 AM 822 Views
Wow. . . - 18/10/2010 05:24:34 AM 1358 Views
One initial route suggests itself - 18/10/2010 05:40:43 AM 1377 Views
Sounds like a good plan to me. - 18/10/2010 06:00:39 AM 1346 Views
It's one of your usual suggestions and I guess we can go with it again. - 18/10/2010 06:03:51 AM 1365 Views
I think this sounds reasonable. - 18/10/2010 03:54:26 PM 1376 Views
I think 5 is too many. How about 4? *NM* - 18/10/2010 06:42:44 PM 845 Views
4's a good compromise - 18/10/2010 07:47:55 PM 1420 Views
is this for today - 18/10/2010 09:50:39 PM 1325 Views
Today. - 18/10/2010 09:59:06 PM 1340 Views
We may as well do it today - 18/10/2010 10:17:22 PM 1394 Views
If we're going to do it, it needs to be today - 18/10/2010 10:35:12 PM 1341 Views
Any order is going to have to be randomly established, imo. - 18/10/2010 10:45:40 PM 1342 Views
I don't know that its a major concern, people can just submit them - 19/10/2010 12:49:14 AM 1347 Views
Present. - 18/10/2010 07:40:21 AM 1328 Views
Amazing! Incredible! Uncanny! - 18/10/2010 08:20:09 AM 1319 Views
I meant for that to be a reply to the original message, but oh well *NM* - 18/10/2010 08:21:06 AM 932 Views
here! - 18/10/2010 10:47:36 AM 1461 Views
I am here - 18/10/2010 07:48:40 PM 1317 Views
Hola - 18/10/2010 08:51:52 PM 1329 Views
Character Claims (Table) - Complete - 19/10/2010 01:04:38 AM 1471 Views
My list - 19/10/2010 01:26:14 AM 1317 Views
Mine - 19/10/2010 01:27:53 AM 1339 Views
Mine - 19/10/2010 02:08:49 AM 1304 Views
Me! - 19/10/2010 03:11:10 AM 1345 Views
Son of Adun. - 19/10/2010 03:19:49 AM 1534 Views
And that is still an incomplete list *NM* - 19/10/2010 04:24:23 AM 794 Views
en taro adun, executor *NM* - 20/10/2010 07:17:16 PM 853 Views
All right, I pretty much chose my list on a whim though. - 21/10/2010 12:09:57 AM 1364 Views
My list - 19/10/2010 04:09:47 AM 1376 Views
this is my list - 19/10/2010 05:31:17 AM 1363 Views
Claims abound! - 19/10/2010 05:58:55 AM 1368 Views
Mine - 19/10/2010 07:50:50 AM 1249 Views
mine - 19/10/2010 10:42:22 AM 1431 Views
Re: Character Claims (Table) - 19/10/2010 08:40:44 PM 1405 Views
So, anyone got any ideas? *NM* - 20/10/2010 07:19:51 AM 801 Views
Possibly... - 20/10/2010 07:31:10 AM 1372 Views
Ok *NM* - 20/10/2010 05:00:57 PM 807 Views
Sorry! I'm here. *NM* - 20/10/2010 09:28:57 PM 894 Views
Why did it say Napoleon62? I'm ? *NM* - 20/10/2010 09:29:44 PM 869 Views
This is REALLY weird *NM* - 20/10/2010 09:30:06 PM 897 Views
Secret identity revealed! DUN DUN DUN! *NM* - 20/10/2010 09:31:48 PM 893 Views
Busteeddddddddddddddddddd *NM* - 20/10/2010 09:35:02 PM 777 Views
This is an interesting development... *NM* - 20/10/2010 10:10:19 PM 800 Views
What? *NM* - 20/10/2010 10:24:23 PM 935 Views
How is it now? *NM* - 20/10/2010 10:25:26 PM 890 Views
What the heck!?!?!? Please wait as I figure this out... *NM* - 20/10/2010 10:26:05 PM 943 Views
Whattttt?? Weird! *NM* - 20/10/2010 10:34:12 PM 780 Views
And probably slightly unethical. *NM* - 20/10/2010 11:06:40 PM 789 Views
Slightly? - 21/10/2010 12:57:34 AM 1404 Views
Actuall Napoleon is my brother *NM* - 21/10/2010 01:23:44 AM 926 Views
That explains it. *NM* - 21/10/2010 05:16:38 AM 877 Views
OH MY GOD! MURDERERRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!! *NM* - 21/10/2010 12:46:40 AM 769 Views
are we actualy going to do anything today? - 21/10/2010 01:31:15 AM 1360 Views
Re: Ok let me sit this one out...I don't know what's going on at all but...yeah *NM* - 21/10/2010 01:54:54 AM 839 Views
And that's me ? getting modkilled if possible....Sorry everyone *NM* - 21/10/2010 01:55:26 AM 923 Views
I'd rather have you stay in... - 21/10/2010 02:07:00 AM 1287 Views
I've done that quite a few times... - 21/10/2010 02:11:48 AM 1500 Views
Try the bottom of the message box... - 21/10/2010 03:54:51 AM 1340 Views
Bingo. - 22/10/2010 10:35:20 AM 1369 Views
I mean, we don't have to. Napoleon isn't playing in this game. - 21/10/2010 02:58:29 AM 1313 Views
On the whole Napoleon/? issue - 21/10/2010 03:42:04 AM 1409 Views
Yeah, no need for ? to quit. *NM* - 21/10/2010 07:25:43 AM 805 Views
Yay!! *NM* - 21/10/2010 11:40:56 AM 901 Views
Testing one two three *NM* - 21/10/2010 11:41:51 AM 815 Views
Ok...back to normal...that never happened...Where are we in the game? *NM* - 21/10/2010 11:42:21 AM 851 Views
What? Again? *NM* - 21/10/2010 11:42:47 AM 873 Views
Ok, here's what we can do. - 21/10/2010 01:33:53 PM 1269 Views
Sounds like a plan. - 21/10/2010 02:34:46 PM 1298 Views
Umm.. - 21/10/2010 09:41:13 PM 1330 Views
So that's everyone, I think. - 22/10/2010 04:13:06 AM 1276 Views
Re: So that's everyone, I think. - 22/10/2010 08:00:43 AM 1292 Views
a minor correction - 22/10/2010 02:43:27 PM 1336 Views
Re: a minor correction - 23/10/2010 03:08:02 AM 1308 Views
Well. . . - 22/10/2010 07:03:12 PM 1284 Views
Re: Well. . . - 23/10/2010 02:56:00 AM 1322 Views
<---- Would totally play a Dresden Files game - 23/10/2010 04:03:17 AM 1545 Views
This is awesome - 21/10/2010 09:06:24 PM 1320 Views
I'm surprised it never happened to us. We just rock. *NM* - 21/10/2010 11:52:00 PM 785 Views
Woah, you guys are related?? - 22/10/2010 04:16:59 AM 1364 Views
Yes we are. He's my older brother. *NM* - 22/10/2010 04:47:31 AM 770 Views
Adds an extra layer of humor to your fratricidal actions back in game 9 - 22/10/2010 08:02:42 AM 9449 Views
I still bug him about that one. We finally end up a in a mason group together, - 22/10/2010 02:29:58 PM 1369 Views
That sounds Drow, not Cairhienin . - 22/10/2010 07:00:22 PM 1285 Views
Gah. I thought I had that game figured out. - 22/10/2010 07:45:23 PM 1315 Views
Sorry, I thought everyone knew that. - 22/10/2010 07:50:10 PM 1331 Views
Its not really a big surprise but I don't think you've ever really mentioned it - 24/10/2010 04:59:02 AM 1322 Views
Really? I thought we had. Yeah, it didn't come up to often, but I thought we had mentioned it. *NM* - 24/10/2010 05:32:07 AM 829 Views
Nope! *NM* - 24/10/2010 07:18:23 AM 745 Views
So... What are we going to do? There doesn't seem to be much to discuss. *NM* - 23/10/2010 11:27:10 AM 781 Views
I think everyone is waiting for the ? and Napoleon62 situation to resolve *NM* - 23/10/2010 07:30:39 PM 794 Views
No, there's nothing to resolve there - 23/10/2010 08:43:17 PM 1373 Views
Ok. What are peoples opinions on how long should we give him? *NM* - 23/10/2010 10:18:46 PM 821 Views
I think we should give him a reasonable amount of time. - 23/10/2010 11:00:57 PM 1306 Views
depends what you define as reasonable - 24/10/2010 12:54:34 AM 1285 Views
I did put my hero people - 24/10/2010 01:06:29 AM 1389 Views
Yeah, I put it up but... - 24/10/2010 01:33:01 AM 1328 Views
Oh ok. *NM* - 24/10/2010 01:34:03 PM 758 Views
oh ok - 24/10/2010 01:59:30 PM 1332 Views
Not sure how to proceed at the moment - 24/10/2010 05:09:20 AM 1313 Views
how about we all give our thoughts on who the SK might be? *NM* - 24/10/2010 06:57:57 AM 838 Views
Who says we even have a SK? - 24/10/2010 07:17:45 AM 1301 Views
Re: Who says we even have a SK? - 24/10/2010 08:45:22 AM 1300 Views
It's Day 1 right now, we don't have a whole lot. - 24/10/2010 07:03:58 AM 1349 Views
Yep. - 24/10/2010 07:04:47 AM 1380 Views
Re: Not sure how to proceed at the moment - 24/10/2010 03:16:29 PM 1319 Views
Okay then - 24/10/2010 03:24:22 PM 1203 Views
Re: Okay then - 24/10/2010 04:04:26 PM 1283 Views
Re: Okay then - 24/10/2010 04:06:37 PM 1328 Views
Re: Okay then - 24/10/2010 04:27:43 PM 1281 Views
Re: Okay then - 24/10/2010 06:26:13 PM 1278 Views
I'm not going to be voting for White Flame anyway. - 24/10/2010 07:15:31 PM 1258 Views
Something about this bugs me - 25/10/2010 05:28:48 AM 1392 Views
^Seconded. - 25/10/2010 05:54:45 AM 1281 Views
Re: Something about this bugs me - 25/10/2010 06:45:19 AM 1620 Views
Edit by way of post: - 25/10/2010 06:53:47 AM 1300 Views
Re: Edit by way of post: - 25/10/2010 08:50:28 AM 1299 Views
Oh, all right. That's more than fair. - 25/10/2010 06:21:07 PM 1252 Views
Re: Something about this bugs me - 25/10/2010 08:44:49 AM 1342 Views
I disagree with you. - 25/10/2010 05:05:03 PM 1313 Views
EBWOP - 25/10/2010 09:23:51 PM 1354 Views
i thought it was an airline - 26/10/2010 11:17:57 PM 1257 Views
Re: Something about this bugs me - 25/10/2010 06:50:16 PM 1299 Views
I'm in agreement with Isaac and Kronin. - 25/10/2010 06:21:23 AM 1281 Views
"Does Role Match Character?" Survey (Table) - 25/10/2010 05:26:21 AM 1423 Views
Yup. - 25/10/2010 05:53:03 AM 1331 Views
Re: Yup. - 25/10/2010 06:07:46 AM 1327 Views
Yes. *NM* - 25/10/2010 06:05:07 AM 777 Views
Yes, I imagine so. *NM* - 25/10/2010 06:47:54 AM 745 Views
Yep *NM* - 25/10/2010 06:51:17 AM 762 Views
Yes. *NM* - 25/10/2010 07:36:23 AM 641 Views
yeah *NM* - 25/10/2010 08:39:44 AM 795 Views
Re: "Does Role Match Character?" Survey (Table) - 25/10/2010 03:54:19 PM 1276 Views
Re: "Does Role Match Character?" Survey (Table) - 25/10/2010 05:34:28 PM 1436 Views
Well, the accusation is tied to the character of Deadpool being a homicidal maniac - 25/10/2010 06:24:04 PM 1309 Views
Re: Well, the accusation is tied to the character of Deadpool being a homicidal maniac - 25/10/2010 06:38:16 PM 1311 Views
You make a compelling point, sir. - 25/10/2010 08:46:58 PM 1321 Views
This is what I meant by stretching for a match - 26/10/2010 12:40:50 AM 1497 Views
I'd also like to point out. - 26/10/2010 01:11:05 AM 1263 Views
That's the same game where Yuna was the Joker, wasn't it? - 26/10/2010 01:51:35 AM 1216 Views
yes, lets bring that up as much as possible - 26/10/2010 09:30:56 AM 1271 Views
That's true - 26/10/2010 02:02:10 AM 1280 Views
That does make sense - 26/10/2010 02:12:33 AM 1460 Views
It does make sense. - 26/10/2010 02:19:55 AM 1305 Views
Watcher isn't an especially powerful role, I doubt the mafia would single him out. - 26/10/2010 02:56:03 AM 1168 Views
I dunno, better safe than sorry is always my NK motto. - 26/10/2010 04:31:42 AM 1262 Views
Even in if they do single him out, - 26/10/2010 08:52:18 PM 1301 Views
Re: Even in if they do single him out, - 26/10/2010 09:03:21 PM 1232 Views
It means I think we should do it. - 27/10/2010 12:43:34 AM 1254 Views
Yes *NM* - 25/10/2010 06:33:22 PM 727 Views
yes *NM* - 25/10/2010 09:42:56 PM 753 Views
yes. *NM* - 26/10/2010 02:24:23 AM 754 Views
Yes as far as I can see. I'm not too experienced with Marvel *NM* - 26/10/2010 09:49:22 PM 948 Views
So what's the temperature right now on this? - 27/10/2010 04:10:18 AM 1263 Views
Okay, Vote: White Flame of Tar Valon - 28/10/2010 02:24:09 AM 1293 Views
Re: Okay, Vote: White Flame of Tar Valon - 28/10/2010 02:28:25 AM 1269 Views
I would, but I have an exam tomorrow. - 28/10/2010 03:29:44 AM 1312 Views
Re: I would, but I have an exam tomorrow. - 28/10/2010 04:57:32 PM 1240 Views
RBIRL - 28/10/2010 07:04:44 AM 1325 Views
I'm not sure what we should do - 28/10/2010 11:12:07 PM 1276 Views
Some thoughts - 28/10/2010 05:35:58 AM 1288 Views
Is there a general consensus? - 28/10/2010 04:37:08 PM 1306 Views
RBIRL and stuff - 28/10/2010 03:49:58 AM 1294 Views
Okay, mega-absurd posting slump - 29/10/2010 03:01:38 PM 1349 Views
Vote: White Flame of Tar Valon *NM* - 29/10/2010 04:14:38 PM 826 Views
Vote: White Flame *NM* - 29/10/2010 04:29:55 PM 757 Views
Re: Okay, mega-absurd posting slump - 29/10/2010 04:30:30 PM 1280 Views
Yeah, I was considering imposing a limit. - 29/10/2010 04:56:12 PM 1319 Views
Hrbrlblrb. - 29/10/2010 05:34:08 PM 1241 Views
Alright, alright - 29/10/2010 06:06:46 PM 1307 Views
I said I'd wait for him to find another candidate... - 29/10/2010 06:15:44 PM 1244 Views
But really. . . - 29/10/2010 06:19:17 PM 1274 Views
This puts him at L-1. - 29/10/2010 06:45:05 PM 1390 Views
Re: This puts him at L-1. - 29/10/2010 07:28:18 PM 1354 Views
Oh come on! - 29/10/2010 07:41:54 PM 1252 Views
It would be great if, in his pettiness, WF forgot he was a bomb. - 29/10/2010 08:00:26 PM 1303 Views
That would make me chuckle. - 29/10/2010 08:04:54 PM 1374 Views
Or that he was a Priest . - 29/10/2010 09:57:14 PM 1355 Views
Apparently everybody likes option E after all *NM* - 29/10/2010 07:17:21 PM 742 Views
It was the best option there was. *NM* - 29/10/2010 07:59:11 PM 807 Views
That, or we are all very lazy. *NM* - 29/10/2010 08:45:14 PM 735 Views
I still don't. - 29/10/2010 09:55:38 PM 1283 Views
White Flame has been lynched - 30/10/2010 07:10:15 AM 1382 Views
Dang! *NM* - 30/10/2010 09:38:44 AM 789 Views
When do you think Day 2 will start? *NM* - 31/10/2010 05:44:28 PM 706 Views
Hm... I'd say Tuesdayish - 31/10/2010 05:58:12 PM 1267 Views
WOOOOOOOOOOOOO *NM* - 31/10/2010 07:02:11 PM 785 Views
Sorry for the delay, Day 2 should begin within the next 24 hours - 03/11/2010 01:00:13 AM 1264 Views

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