I'm not sure I see a point in coding the accusations... I think I may have a Plan F though
Isaac Send a noteboard - 22/10/2011 07:34:05 PM
And everyone should have brought up any reasonable suspicions they have on people, and realistically probably don't have any, so we're basically asking people to make something up... if we do the accusations secretly so they're effectively simultaneous not only will we burn a fair amount of time but I'd speculate the lion's share of them will either take a crack at ?, since he did do something anti-town or they'll pick the other obvious one of Yuna's partial list 'being Isaac' to comply with Plan E, besides that not being particularly fruitful I don't like the option of being the default lynchee should I be the target of the majority of accusations... I also don't understand the resistance to coding RCs consider you're endorsing coding accusations... unless we're worried about the scum cracking the codes there's no disadvantage to coding our roles at this time, only decoding them holds a risk, and if we're simply worried someone will use a Vigenere code cracking applet (which exist) that can be dealt with simply by people slightly modifying their code, or running there first encryption through again with a second key, or picking a random poetic verse to add to their real text as code, etc, etc. so that there's no realistic risk of someone cracking them even assuming someone tries which to be honest I doubt anyone would especially if they expect people to be making that extra effort.
Now, I don't mind if we play the accusation game, but frankly I think we ought to just be about, and with the holidays approaching I think a combination of Secret Santa and Trick or Treat, minus the anonymity aspect though that was rather tempting as an addition on your original coded accusation concept. We randomly assign each person 1 person other than themselves, and they most present a reasonable plausible accusation on them or going into our 'lynch pool', trailed anyone of course for whom we feel the reasonable plausible accusation is actually lynchworthy. This way, everyone has to make an accusation or risk getting lynched, people will have their target selected and thus have incentive to scour that person's posts, possibly missing things the rest of us overlooked, and as an added benefit it's good practice at hunting down evidence or fabricating it to frame people which makes games more exciting anyway. I don't know that we necessarily need an exact order of precedence for how we might lynch people including poor prosecutors but failing to make a good effort would be legitimately anti-town.
So there's my "Plan F":
1) Everyone codes their role... please write down or email yourself or NB yourself or Mod with your key and decode method so you don't forget it as it is likely to be a while before you use it.
2) Everyone randomly gets selected one person they must try to build a case on over, say, 72 hours maximum, on penalty of possible lynch for.
3) Random list to be generated using the player roster on the Day 1 Intro by simply adding the seconds digit to their position going down, off say the fifth person to reply to this message agreeing to do it, as that would represent a majority, e.g. Kronin who is at the top of the list, if the time stamp was your message's or a 6, would have to go after Hieshyn, who would have to after ?, who would have to after me, who would have to go after you, etc, in event of a 0 we'd use the tens second digit.
So, how do people feel about this plan? In my opinion it actually gives us a decent chance of finding real info, and barring that a decent list of anti-town stuff we can rationalizing lynching someone off of.
Now, I don't mind if we play the accusation game, but frankly I think we ought to just be about, and with the holidays approaching I think a combination of Secret Santa and Trick or Treat, minus the anonymity aspect though that was rather tempting as an addition on your original coded accusation concept. We randomly assign each person 1 person other than themselves, and they most present a reasonable plausible accusation on them or going into our 'lynch pool', trailed anyone of course for whom we feel the reasonable plausible accusation is actually lynchworthy. This way, everyone has to make an accusation or risk getting lynched, people will have their target selected and thus have incentive to scour that person's posts, possibly missing things the rest of us overlooked, and as an added benefit it's good practice at hunting down evidence or fabricating it to frame people which makes games more exciting anyway. I don't know that we necessarily need an exact order of precedence for how we might lynch people including poor prosecutors but failing to make a good effort would be legitimately anti-town.
So there's my "Plan F":
1) Everyone codes their role... please write down or email yourself or NB yourself or Mod with your key and decode method so you don't forget it as it is likely to be a while before you use it.
2) Everyone randomly gets selected one person they must try to build a case on over, say, 72 hours maximum, on penalty of possible lynch for.
3) Random list to be generated using the player roster on the Day 1 Intro by simply adding the seconds digit to their position going down, off say the fifth person to reply to this message agreeing to do it, as that would represent a majority, e.g. Kronin who is at the top of the list, if the time stamp was your message's or a 6, would have to go after Hieshyn, who would have to after ?, who would have to after me, who would have to go after you, etc, in event of a 0 we'd use the tens second digit.
So, how do people feel about this plan? In my opinion it actually gives us a decent chance of finding real info, and barring that a decent list of anti-town stuff we can rationalizing lynching someone off of.
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
- Albert Einstein
King of Cairhien 20-7-2
Chancellor of the Landsraad, Archduke of Is'Mod
- Albert Einstein
King of Cairhien 20-7-2
Chancellor of the Landsraad, Archduke of Is'Mod
Game 24, Day 1
- 11/10/2011 07:10:06 AM
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Voting record:
- 11/10/2011 07:11:21 AM
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Also, writing this poetry was awesome, thank you very much.
- 11/10/2011 07:32:56 AM
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Are you trying to preemptively win the poetry contest I had planned for my next game?
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- 11/10/2011 07:51:06 PM
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*NM*
- 11/10/2011 07:51:06 PM
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...did anyone else read that first verse and think this was a Diablo themed game? *NM*
- 11/10/2011 02:36:46 PM
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Other ways to use the RM poem:
- 11/10/2011 02:50:19 PM
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That seems doable
- 11/10/2011 04:02:35 PM
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Your keyword
- 11/10/2011 07:06:38 PM
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Re: Your keyword
- 11/10/2011 07:16:19 PM
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I also have a keyword.
- 11/10/2011 07:34:50 PM
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Some stats:
- 11/10/2011 07:04:28 PM
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Probably not coincidence...
- 11/10/2011 07:33:20 PM
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Mine as well.
- 11/10/2011 09:40:35 PM
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Same here.
- 12/10/2011 01:47:39 AM
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I'm honestly 50% expecting all townies to have the same message *NM*
- 12/10/2011 02:35:59 AM
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I think we should all code our keyword
- 11/10/2011 09:36:15 PM
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Sure, lets do that, but I suggest a variation
- 11/10/2011 10:22:48 PM
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Re: Sure, lets do that, but I suggest a variation
- 11/10/2011 11:46:00 PM
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Wait we can code however we want right?
- 12/10/2011 01:50:58 AM
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I'm having a tough time figuring out how this works
- 13/10/2011 04:19:32 PM
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Here ya are
- 12/10/2011 07:34:38 PM
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Sorry I have to do this but RBIRL
- 12/10/2011 12:55:26 AM
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Still missing codes from Yuna, Darth Katie, Hieshyn and Stephen *NM*
- 13/10/2011 02:47:07 PM
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sorry, new commute and longer hours
- 13/10/2011 07:10:25 PM
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I've always wondered- how long does it take to build things in minecraft?
- 13/10/2011 10:24:27 PM
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Okay, we're just waiting on Katie now, and she doesn't need to encode it...
- 13/10/2011 08:45:38 PM
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Right...
- 14/10/2011 02:21:29 AM
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Oookay...
- 15/10/2011 12:44:27 AM
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Ah, I knew I should have read the whole thread before posting.
- 15/10/2011 04:44:12 AM
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Okay... I think we can proceed then... everyone please decode in reply to here (Table)
- 15/10/2011 05:07:31 AM
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be careful this vehicle is decoding
- 15/10/2011 08:13:13 PM
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Yeah, how did you encode this?
- 16/10/2011 03:30:29 AM
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She didn't use Vigenere.
- 16/10/2011 03:50:23 AM
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all that and we all have the same word?
- 16/10/2011 07:26:02 PM
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Right. Um. Now what? *NM*
- 16/10/2011 08:23:07 PM
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Technically still waiting on Hieshyn, but that would appear to be the million dollar question *NM*
- 16/10/2011 08:30:57 PM
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i will bet you a snail to your million dollars that its the same
- 16/10/2011 09:20:45 PM
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I'll pass on that bet
- 16/10/2011 09:25:48 PM
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I'll pass on that bet
- 16/10/2011 09:25:48 PM
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Re:
I'll pass on that bet
- 16/10/2011 10:45:02 PM
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I'll pass on that bet
- 16/10/2011 10:45:02 PM
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Agreed, but move on to what?
- 16/10/2011 10:49:10 PM
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Oh, come now.
- 17/10/2011 05:02:14 PM
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Sounds good to me
- 17/10/2011 07:25:16 PM
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Oh dang! Well this got turned around on its head, didn't it
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- 17/10/2011 09:57:49 PM
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*NM*
- 17/10/2011 09:57:49 PM
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Right. Well, the poems probably won't give us any info
- 17/10/2011 05:14:31 PM
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Re: Right. Well, the poems probably won't give us any info
- 17/10/2011 08:31:58 PM
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Hahaha reading that made my head hurt
- 18/10/2011 12:52:13 AM
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Re: Hahaha reading that made my head hurt
- 18/10/2011 03:09:30 AM
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Whats to keep us from decoding it early? *NM*
- 18/10/2011 05:57:06 PM
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Well...nothing...except honor. And all posts do show the number of view they received.
- 18/10/2011 08:30:02 PM
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hmm, sounds like we found our scum
- 18/10/2011 05:55:08 PM
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? *NM*
- 18/10/2011 05:59:19 PM
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sorry wrong spot
- 18/10/2011 06:01:14 PM
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Still confused on how you arrived at that conclusion... *NM*
- 18/10/2011 06:15:46 PM
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notice you are still my vote
- 18/10/2011 07:48:39 PM
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Are you accusing lil ol me or beet? *NM*
- 18/10/2011 08:38:17 PM
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You, though its not much of an accusation
- 18/10/2011 08:49:01 PM
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Okay now that that is cleared up I can address it...
- 18/10/2011 09:00:23 PM
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Ok so if we all got the same keyword
- 17/10/2011 07:14:15 PM
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i don't get it either, blame beet. timewasting nonsense is his forte *NM*
- 17/10/2011 09:34:12 PM
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Hahaha ouch. It did have a purpose, though- if someone had a different poem.
- 18/10/2011 12:56:44 AM
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Lazy... LIKE A FOX! *NM*
- 18/10/2011 02:04:40 AM
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While I'm thinking of it
- 18/10/2011 02:40:39 AM
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Hmm. Sure, go ahead.
- 18/10/2011 03:31:20 AM
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Okay thanks... is everyone else good with this?
- 18/10/2011 03:39:24 AM
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Go ahead and post. At this point, I'd be very surprised if it's not the same. *NM*
- 18/10/2011 03:54:49 PM
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Well that's not very nice, FT! *NM*
- 18/10/2011 03:53:53 PM
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We all know the Ravens do all the work in that partnership
. *NM*
- 19/10/2011 04:47:33 AM
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. *NM*
- 19/10/2011 04:47:33 AM
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We didn't have any other leads
- 18/10/2011 02:39:34 AM
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Well if we all got the same one that seems to point toward it just being flavor *NM*
- 18/10/2011 05:58:28 PM
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Okay, our two poems
- 18/10/2011 08:55:29 PM
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Same same same! UGH this doesn't help us!
- 19/10/2011 01:15:03 AM
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Patience is a virtue
Our options are 4-fold as I see it
- 19/10/2011 03:58:04 AM
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Our options are 4-fold as I see it
- 19/10/2011 03:58:04 AM
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Re: Patience is a virtue
Our options are 4-fold as I see it
- 19/10/2011 09:32:58 PM
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Our options are 4-fold as I see it
- 19/10/2011 09:32:58 PM
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Basically, everyone roleclaiming Day 1 to prevent the scum from planning anything *NM*
- 20/10/2011 01:25:14 AM
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What do you think of an AB meld?
- 20/10/2011 02:16:19 PM
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i only have the one poem
- 19/10/2011 07:21:53 PM
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Man, we have been spoiled by clue-heavy games
- 20/10/2011 01:34:48 AM
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Re: Man, we have been spoiled by clue-heavy games
- 20/10/2011 02:07:39 AM
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Yeah okay so we won't lynch Hieshyn
- 20/10/2011 08:40:18 PM
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SO you are going with a random lynch?
- 20/10/2011 08:38:46 PM
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Re: SO you are going with a random lynch?
- 20/10/2011 09:50:34 PM
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Re: SO you are going with a random lynch?
- 20/10/2011 10:51:14 PM
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lolwut?
- 21/10/2011 01:31:27 AM
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Not that I really want to delve into this...
- 21/10/2011 05:39:56 AM
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"Claiming" vanilla is BARELY anti-town.
- 21/10/2011 07:44:26 AM
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Re: "Claiming" vanilla is BARELY anti-town.
- 21/10/2011 01:14:57 PM
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I think we probably need to push onward here... (edit)
- 21/10/2011 05:48:00 AM
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I guess that works.
- 21/10/2011 07:45:53 AM
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It's not exactly ideal but we've got little else
- 21/10/2011 12:30:25 PM
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Re: It's not exactly ideal but we've got little else
- 21/10/2011 01:18:48 PM
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Re: It's not exactly ideal but we've got little else
- 21/10/2011 01:39:18 PM
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Re: It's not exactly ideal but we've got little else
- 21/10/2011 01:50:16 PM
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hey! how comes you get to edit? *NM*
- 21/10/2011 09:36:41 AM
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I'm special... actually I thought I'd found a bug and it was the only way to check
- 21/10/2011 12:21:22 PM
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I'm special... actually I thought I'd found a bug and it was the only way to check
- 21/10/2011 12:21:22 PM
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Wow, lookit all the new posts
- 21/10/2011 02:57:17 PM
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First of all here's your table:
- 21/10/2011 03:13:19 PM
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Coding role messages: Aye or Nay? (Table)
- 21/10/2011 11:40:50 PM
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Nay *NM*
- 22/10/2011 01:43:07 AM
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Mind if you explain why you voted Nay? *NM*
- 22/10/2011 02:09:57 AM
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I'm generally against roleclaiming.
- 22/10/2011 02:20:44 AM
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Well... if we force someone to roleclaim before they're lynched, we'll know
- 22/10/2011 03:48:05 PM
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I don't see much point, and I think even tomorrow would be too early to reveal.
- 24/10/2011 04:11:17 AM
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Plan E
- 22/10/2011 02:02:16 AM
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I'm not sure I see a point in coding the accusations... I think I may have a Plan F though
- 22/10/2011 07:34:05 PM
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Incidentally note that there are two seperate pieces to Plan F
- 22/10/2011 07:36:55 PM
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Both. Although anything seems just as plausible as everything else right now. *NM*
- 22/10/2011 09:13:09 PM
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Neither.
- 23/10/2011 04:31:47 AM
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I have to disagree entirely, your arguments don't make sense to me
- 23/10/2011 04:57:53 AM
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Likewise
- 23/10/2011 08:28:47 AM
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- 23/10/2011 08:28:47 AM
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So you admit there's nothing but advantage to coding our roles?
- 23/10/2011 01:40:08 PM
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I think we should do both.
- 24/10/2011 05:00:23 AM
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The Consoldiated Plan G
- 24/10/2011 02:04:23 PM
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The Random List (Table)
- 24/10/2011 02:07:46 PM
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Sounds good.
- 24/10/2011 02:59:17 PM
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Re: Sounds good.
- 24/10/2011 03:23:48 PM
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this is too confusing *NM*
- 24/10/2011 08:11:08 PM
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I was worried about that but I think we're about as simplified as we can get...
- 24/10/2011 08:37:49 PM
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Your encoded RC (Table)
- 24/10/2011 02:14:12 PM
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Your Encoded Target (Table)
- 24/10/2011 02:17:11 PM
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RBIRL
- 25/10/2011 04:41:32 PM
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Samesies - RBIRL
- 25/10/2011 04:57:47 PM
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Totally RBIRL here also.
- 25/10/2011 08:07:31 PM
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Relatively RBIRL... *NM*
- 25/10/2011 09:06:43 PM
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Pretty RBIRL... *NM*
- 26/10/2011 05:05:44 PM
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I'm not putting up 5 RBIRL
- 26/10/2011 07:56:14 PM
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I said relatively.
- 26/10/2011 08:33:10 PM
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I should be alright by the evening (note it is now thursday in ireland) *NM*
- 27/10/2011 12:52:29 AM
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Random Accusations (Table)
- 28/10/2011 04:30:48 PM
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The Case against Yunalesca
- 28/10/2011 04:34:33 PM
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do i rebut now? *NM*
- 28/10/2011 07:07:59 PM
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Certainly, the formalism is just to try to keep things neat and tidy with 10 accusations impending
- 28/10/2011 07:10:00 PM
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God damn it. I accidently used my random target as my target above. (sorry, ?)
- 28/10/2011 04:56:12 PM
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My accusation against ?
- 29/10/2011 02:18:54 AM
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Weak.
- 29/10/2011 02:42:56 AM
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Beetnemesis: The Man, The Myth, The Legend.
- 30/10/2011 01:11:26 AM
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The (lack of a) case for Fox and Ravens
- 30/10/2011 04:30:06 PM
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So you can't find a case for me so that makes me auto suspicious?
- 30/10/2011 10:44:56 PM
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Its more like I can't find anything suspicious but I'm forced to accuse you anyway *NM*
- 31/10/2011 01:57:45 AM
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Vote: Yunalesca
- 30/10/2011 03:19:21 PM
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i've been busy, hold your horsies *NM*
- 30/10/2011 11:15:51 PM
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So now we have your answer and...
- 31/10/2011 12:13:59 AM
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So if she isn't
- 31/10/2011 12:52:02 AM
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Well, I see four options
- 31/10/2011 08:49:00 PM
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1 and 2 seem best.
- 01/11/2011 02:55:51 AM
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Can I ask why?
- 01/11/2011 07:51:40 PM
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Let's just lynch DK and be done with it, Vote: Darth Katie
- 02/11/2011 02:03:49 AM
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As it's still Day 1, I have hopes of replacing her with the lynch/night kill dead.
- 02/11/2011 02:48:50 AM
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Re: As it's still Day 1, I have hopes of replacing her with the lynch/night kill dead.
- 02/11/2011 03:03:38 AM
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Huh, so you did. I apparently missed that entire post, my apologies.
- 02/11/2011 06:59:19 AM
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Is it a good idea to lynch a modkill target?
- 02/11/2011 02:17:30 PM
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I'm with Isaac on this one
- 02/11/2011 02:50:53 PM
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There's no reason for lynching me over anyone else who's being minimally active.1
- 02/11/2011 10:23:26 PM
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Darth_Katie has been lynched
- 03/11/2011 05:45:12 PM
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*NM*