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I completely agree that the "black Cleopatra" syndrome is born of insecurities. Tom Send a noteboard - 18/06/2010 02:11:15 AM
The funny thing is that, not only were the Ptolemies all Macedonians (and light-haired Macedonians at that), but because they had that terrible habit of MARRYING THEIR FULL SISTERS and, in some cases, nieces or adopted daughters and having children with them, it's hard to even try to make a straw-man argument of "one of the queens could have been native Egyptian".

Even if we were to accept that, though, we know what the Egyptians looked like. Anyone doubting these need only look at the masterful portraiture of the Roman-era sarcophagi (called "Fayyum sarcophagi" because of their preponderance around Fayyum). Egyptians looked very Semitic back then.

Even if one were to reject the Fayyum sarcophagi, we have wall paintings that distinguish Egyptians from their Nubian neighbors to the south.

It's just a peculiarly American black phenomenon, and even in the American black community it's restricted to a neo-"black power" sort of movement. And it's absurd. It's also pretty much irrelevant.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

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*Incoherent sputters of historian rage* Angelina Jolie Incorrectly Cast In New Cleopatra Role - 11/06/2010 02:35:15 AM 951 Views
I nominate Tyra Banks. - 11/06/2010 06:29:44 AM 554 Views
I love Angelina jolie - 11/06/2010 06:36:48 AM 644 Views
The only reason for an "Africanish" queen... - 11/06/2010 04:09:14 PM 626 Views
why? Cleopatra was not African. *NM* - 15/06/2010 10:19:11 AM 236 Views
They should get Lyndsey Marshal back, she was awesome. And looked the part. - 11/06/2010 12:45:48 PM 588 Views
The one from Rome? *NM* - 11/06/2010 02:18:48 PM 211 Views
Yes. *NM* - 11/06/2010 02:36:20 PM 196 Views
Angelina is HOT, Cleopatra was NOT - 16/06/2010 10:42:42 PM 522 Views
I'm having a hard time telling if you agree with me about Marshal or not... *NM* - 16/06/2010 11:29:02 PM 211 Views
she was too pretty in my opinion - 20/06/2010 03:59:57 AM 501 Views
Purefoy was fantastic in his role. - 20/06/2010 10:42:56 AM 526 Views
Wait...is the racist part the idiocy of trying to say Cleopatra was black or the "wog" calling part? - 15/06/2010 01:38:42 AM 571 Views
it's not even a proper use of the term wog. - 15/06/2010 10:16:25 AM 538 Views
No, actually it is. - 15/06/2010 05:06:54 PM 618 Views
Perhaps you've confused "wog" and "wop". *NM* - 15/06/2010 05:07:22 PM 210 Views
no, see above. - 16/06/2010 08:54:27 AM 466 Views
Wouldn't the closest modern ethnicity to the ancient egyptians be the Coptics? *NM* - 16/06/2010 10:44:39 PM 198 Views
Well, yes, or the non-Coptic Egyptians. - 17/06/2010 12:57:54 AM 530 Views
I wasn't calling anyone a wog, I was suggesting a likely parallel to the Ptolemies' attitude - 17/06/2010 09:58:23 PM 593 Views
I completely agree that the "black Cleopatra" syndrome is born of insecurities. - 18/06/2010 02:11:15 AM 526 Views
Yah...i don't see why people ever think Cleopatra should be black. - 15/06/2010 10:18:12 AM 514 Views

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