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The Foresaken had their permission revoked, but the DO can enact consequences on them... FanEditor10 Send a noteboard - 29/04/2010 04:35:27 AM
I know some readers think that the villains in WoT are lame, but come on!

The DO is not going to allow his own power to destroy him. When he detects Rand close to Shayol Ghul, he will end Rand's access to the TP.

That is if the sane Rand even thinks of using the TP again, which is highly doubtful.


Once the permission is given, the channeler has access to the True Power. He doesn't need permission every time. Demandred said he could use it when he needed it. Rand can do the same, unless the Dark One deliberately shuts him off, which I think he will forget to do.

Not only that, but Rand might have channeled through Moridin, in which case the Dark One is really screwed.


I have only ready tGS once so far so maybe I missed something, but my impression wasn't that it was IMPOSSIBLE to use the TP without the DO's permission, but that the Foresaken, the only living people other than Rand who have ever accessed it, will not TRY to use it without the DO's permission. After all, if they piss him off he can just kill them. That's a pretty hard taskmaster.

And where in the novel did it ever indicate that Rand was channeling the TP through Moridin OR that he had the DO's permission? In his own darkest hour watching the woman he loves dying, in the deadness of his soul at that moment the TP flooded into him. It would make sense then that, just like Saidin or Saidar, at need and under the right emotional circumstances the TP would be available without any conscious thought of the Dark One.

And Moridin, if I recall correctly, was nowhere near him. Semhirage was, I believe, the one trying to kill Min, but you cannot draw any power through a person who is far away from you.

I think the True Power is just a force that exists, like the One Power, but the One Power is the Creator's power, and the True Power is the Dark one's power. Under the right circumstances anyone could use it, but the people under the DO's control won't risk his ire. If this is true, then the Dark One CAN'T cut off Rand's use. But you guys may have a point about it not being useful to kill or imprison the Dark One.
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I agree with you - 30/10/2009 03:24:22 PM 1284 Views
don't forget you can't touch the true power without the DO's permission - 30/10/2009 03:31:25 PM 1081 Views
I think he will overlook it - 30/10/2009 03:46:25 PM 1078 Views
It also might be that Rand used Moridin as a conduit, making the DO's permission irrelevant. - 30/10/2009 03:58:04 PM 1039 Views
Indeed... Moridin is definitely worried about the connection - 30/10/2009 03:59:59 PM 1148 Views
Right - 30/10/2009 04:06:26 PM 1262 Views
Seems to me destroying the DO with balefire would take a force equal to his. - 06/11/2009 09:57:47 AM 910 Views
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where'd you get the number of Rand's Asha'man? - 30/10/2009 10:12:00 PM 901 Views
Re: where'd you get the number of Rand's Asha'man? - 31/10/2009 12:28:48 AM 891 Views
I must be confused then - 30/10/2009 06:11:38 PM 987 Views
No... you're right. - 30/10/2009 07:02:05 PM 960 Views
Hello! The TP can only be used with permission! - 30/10/2009 10:45:58 PM 1059 Views
Nope - 31/10/2009 05:18:03 AM 1440 Views
I'm sorry that's wrong... - 31/10/2009 08:58:14 AM 974 Views
Believe what you want - 31/10/2009 09:08:52 AM 982 Views
No, he's right - 31/10/2009 04:59:34 PM 1115 Views
That's what I said *NM* - 31/10/2009 05:24:55 PM 455 Views
I don't need your permission for that... - 31/10/2009 09:57:34 PM 900 Views
Re: I don't need your permission for that... - 01/11/2009 06:54:20 AM 891 Views
You are incorrect - 27/12/2009 10:44:36 PM 885 Views
you're counting on the DO of being absent minded? - 17/04/2010 10:59:41 PM 849 Views
The Foresaken had their permission revoked, but the DO can enact consequences on them... - 29/04/2010 04:35:27 AM 1014 Views
I think using the TP against the DO is wishful thinking. - 31/10/2009 04:33:33 PM 965 Views
Generally agree. - 06/11/2009 09:07:57 AM 1009 Views

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