Many consider Pride his flaw for thinking he could defeat the Dark One alone. In my opinion, this is total BS--call it utter Bravery, and the realization that humanity was fucked if he didn't make the march with the Hundred Companions. Sure, they made a mistake in how they went about sealing the Bore, and the backlash wreaked terrible havoc on earth--but nothing compared to what would happen had the armies of darkness won (read: end of the universe). The fault goes to the female Aes Sedai for not properly realizing the enormity of the situation and manning up, so to speak.
The women are not at fault, and Latra Posae's movement contributed as much as Lews Therin in saving the world. With her without LTT's plan, the world was doomed. With LTT's plan without her, the world was doomed. In opposition to one another, the world was saved...
Lews Therin's plan was brave to the point of insanity, and flawed. It called for touching Shai'tan/The True Power directly in order to seal him, and that is the cause of the Tainting. TGS revealed this. Lews Therin still resents the women for refusing to collaborate, but he is wrong. Jordan revealed in a Q&A years ago that if mixed gender circles had implemented Lews Therin's plan, both saidar and saidin would have been tainted, and the method by which saidin could be Cleansed worked only if one half of the Power wasn't tainted. That Lews Therin doesn't believe, but it's a fundamental truth, coming from Jordan himself. Had Lews Therin proceeded as originally planned, the world was doomed. Had he done nothing, the world was doomed. Had Latra Posae's plan been implemented instead (a giant temporary shield around the whole area), we can't be sure but it looks like it would have left Shai'tan build-up his strength under the shield and eventually break it and enter Creation.
Latra Posae thought Lews Therin's plan "too reckless". The Fateful Concord's refusal to participate is what made LTT's plan succesful. The women's refusal is as important as the men's initiative. The two are indissociable, it took the combination of the two sides to save the world, just like saidar and saidin must sometimes work against one another, not only together.
Furthermore, Latra Posae's plan indirectly provided the mean by which saidin could be cleansed, so its role in the Pattern was essential - without it, saidin would not have been cleansed before the LB. That's how the Pattern was woven: LTT's plan was halted by the women's refusal to participate. As a result, he was stalled long enough so the women could build the Choedan Kal (that one day would Cleanse saidin). Before the women could implement their own plan (that it seems logical was also flawed), the CK AK got lost and not found until after the WoS (Deirdre's group eventually recuperated them in the early Breaking and sent them with the Da'shain, and this is how TDR ended up with them, the other AK were either lost or damaged so they couldn't be used). Because the CK got lost, LTT had no choice to resurrect his own plan, and to go on without the powerful women he intended to use in mixed gender circles. He succeeded, and without the women participating in the Sealing (we don't know if women fought at SG, the Fateful Concord was an alliance of women powerful enough for the Sealing, we can't be sure all female AS opposed LTT), saidar got spared, and because saidar was spared and Shai'tan was temporarily sealed off, the world survived. The women were there to destroy the men and stop the Breaking.
There may be a "perfect plan" that would close the Bore for Ages without major damages, but it's up to Rand to find it. The previous Age didn't. It had two flawed plans that were complementary, though the protagonists at the time didn't suspect in the least the real relationship between their plans: that the second plan needed to be stopped, because beyond the fact it likely would not have worked, it would one day offer the only mean to correct the consequences of the flaw in the first plan.
Now that the purpose of the CK has been fulfilled, Rand was pulled to destroy the CK, realising how terribly dangerous such Power was.
Do you think Latra Posae's obstinance as well as every woman's refusal to help him was part of his ta'veren effect sparing saidar the same fate as saidin?
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Character discussion 1 : Lews Therin Telamon
03/05/2010 05:13:30 AM
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A tragic hero
03/05/2010 02:44:35 PM
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I thought that was supposed to be left up to the reader to decide.
03/05/2010 03:45:07 PM
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Re: A tragic hero
03/05/2010 04:34:23 PM
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Re: A tragic hero
03/05/2010 04:47:01 PM
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Not to mention--how old was LTT? He really had no adult children?
03/05/2010 11:29:54 PM
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Re: Not to mention--how old was LTT? He really had no adult children?
04/05/2010 05:22:19 AM
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Re: Not to mention--how old was LTT? He really had no adult children?
05/05/2010 03:29:57 PM
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And even normals had extended lifespans - Mieran's servant was sixty & in his prime.
06/05/2010 05:38:43 PM
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Well, Lews Therin is insane with only brief moments of coherence *NM*
04/05/2010 06:42:09 PM
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How perfect/imperfect was Lews Therin?
03/05/2010 04:28:11 PM
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Re: How perfect/imperfect was Lews Therin?
03/05/2010 04:53:22 PM
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LTT was close to perfect, and he barely managed to eke out a draw with the Shadow.
03/05/2010 09:16:29 PM
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What flaws? Lews Therin HAD no flaws. It's just you average folk being bitter about perfection...
03/05/2010 08:39:19 PM
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Who's bitter?
04/05/2010 05:20:36 AM
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Bitter is too strong a word. More "conditioned" to search for character flaws in literature...
05/05/2010 03:48:49 PM
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A rather unrealistic character in my opinion
03/05/2010 11:27:32 PM
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TGS ought to have put an end to that flawed reasoning
04/05/2010 04:31:16 PM
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I have a question
04/05/2010 06:32:16 PM
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Re: I have a question
04/05/2010 11:47:54 PM
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Overly convoluted theory, in my view...
05/05/2010 09:48:11 AM
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The Pattern can do this, so complicated or not, it happens all the time. RJ already said...
05/05/2010 07:14:56 PM
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the reason you can't find real people as accomplished is no one lives that long in real life!
06/05/2010 08:50:58 PM
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Did the LTT soul exist/reside in TAR as a Hero of the Horn ...
04/05/2010 06:22:36 PM
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Re: Did the LTT soul exist/reside in TAR as a Hero of the Horn ...
05/05/2010 12:22:09 AM
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Lews Therin's funny Talent
04/05/2010 06:34:26 PM
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Wards can detect people.
05/05/2010 12:21:02 AM
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