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Re: Did the LTT soul exist/reside in TAR as a Hero of the Horn ... DomA Send a noteboard - 05/05/2010 12:22:09 AM
The fact that Hawkwing referred to him as "Lews Therin", rather than (say) a previous incarnation's name, may suggest that Hawkwing mingled with LTT's soul in TAR during the time I'm asking about, but I don't think it's conclusive evidence of that.


Considering that Jordan's explanation that in between incarnations the Heroes in TAR use the name (and appearance based on Gaidal and Birgitte, but that Jordan didn't say for sure) of their last incarnation when they interact was directly in reference to Lews Therin, and the fact Hawkwing (and later Birgitte) considered Rand as Lews Therin, I'd say it's conclusive evidence that LTT spent his "death" waiting in TAR as would be usual for this soul.

If it's the 2nd option, does it imply that LTT was mad with grief (like the voice in Rand's head is) the entire time he was in TAR, before the reincarnation? He couldn't have been much fun to hang out with, if so.


Well... I think given his likely background the Dragon soul is usually not much fun to hang with in TAR (for that matter, Hawkwing and Cain didn't seem so much fun either...) but it's really hard to tell how the Dragon was in TAR after the WOS. Plagued by LTT's gried? It's hard to tell. Don't forget, his life and personality would have merged with all his previous incarnations to form a different whole. "Lews Therin" didn't necessarily dominated the Heroes persona, and his recent horror stories may be somewhat relative in comparison to the other horrors in his past, and the victories... He would also be conscious of his role and purpose as Hero while in TAR. No doubt he suffered about Ilyena, but I don't think he was insane with grief or half-mad the way the LTT personna in touch with Rand was.

Rand wasn't "in contact" with the Dragon soul of TAR at any point - the LTT in his head had no conscience he was a Hero or memory of his passage in TAR. Whether Rand reconstructed a LTT persona from memories that leaked through a barrier attacked by the Taint (and I tend to think that's what it was) or whether the personality was "real" and conscious, that was strictly LTT, not the Dragon soul with a myriad of lives. The only moment Rand/LTT seemed to be conscious of his past lives was when he was struck with that epiphany about love on Dragonmount.

IMO, the memories (incl. experience, personality etc.) of LTT in Rand's head were real, but I tend to think the "communications" were not. I think this was Rand's schizophrenia. He made up a Voice, because he couldn't cope with the fact he was LTT. He was Rand, the Dragon Reborn, sane and sound, and all the rest (incl. leaked memories and so on) he made to be the raving mad monster and kinslayer LTT. The fact the "voice" contradicted him and inteferred on its own, even tried to convince Rand sometimes or to take over his control, is often how schizophrenics describe their "voices".
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Character discussion 1 : Lews Therin Telamon - 03/05/2010 05:13:30 AM 1361 Views
A tragic hero - 03/05/2010 02:44:35 PM 551 Views
I thought that was supposed to be left up to the reader to decide. - 03/05/2010 03:45:07 PM 493 Views
Yeah, there seems to be an answer in the notes, though - 03/05/2010 04:12:27 PM 527 Views
Re: A tragic hero - 03/05/2010 04:34:23 PM 516 Views
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Not to mention--how old was LTT? He really had no adult children? - 03/05/2010 11:29:54 PM 440 Views
Re: Not to mention--how old was LTT? He really had no adult children? - 04/05/2010 05:22:19 AM 456 Views
Re: Not to mention--how old was LTT? He really had no adult children? - 05/05/2010 03:29:57 PM 451 Views
And even normals had extended lifespans - Mieran's servant was sixty & in his prime. - 06/05/2010 05:38:43 PM 449 Views
This makes me wonder ... - 06/05/2010 08:34:04 PM 417 Views
Well, Lews Therin is insane with only brief moments of coherence *NM* - 04/05/2010 06:42:09 PM 257 Views
well he is insane after all... - 06/05/2010 08:27:05 PM 396 Views
How perfect/imperfect was Lews Therin? - 03/05/2010 04:28:11 PM 534 Views
Re: How perfect/imperfect was Lews Therin? - 03/05/2010 04:53:22 PM 478 Views
A rather unrealistic character in my opinion - 03/05/2010 11:27:32 PM 468 Views
Re: A rather unrealistic character in my opinion - 04/05/2010 12:32:33 PM 457 Views
TGS ought to have put an end to that flawed reasoning - 04/05/2010 04:31:16 PM 559 Views
I have a question - 04/05/2010 06:32:16 PM 482 Views
Re: I have a question - 04/05/2010 11:47:54 PM 456 Views
Overly convoluted theory, in my view... - 05/05/2010 09:48:11 AM 435 Views
but thats how they got 12 books out of it so far... *NM* - 06/05/2010 04:29:50 PM 178 Views
I agree. - 05/05/2010 07:10:50 PM 368 Views
Nods in agreement *NM* - 06/05/2010 08:36:45 PM 169 Views
Did the LTT soul exist/reside in TAR as a Hero of the Horn ... - 04/05/2010 06:22:36 PM 500 Views
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But... - 05/05/2010 10:19:18 AM 406 Views
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Lews Therin's funny Talent - 04/05/2010 06:34:26 PM 468 Views
Wards can detect people. - 05/05/2010 12:21:02 AM 428 Views
In hindsight - 05/05/2010 08:39:21 AM 419 Views
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Re: Lews Therin's funny Talent - 05/05/2010 03:12:26 PM 455 Views
Unrealistic and unsympathetic for the most part - 05/05/2010 04:28:34 PM 418 Views

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