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Answers Datakim Send a noteboard - 16/05/2010 11:19:59 PM
1 - The DO doesn't trust anyone; Moridin just gets the most of that small trust. His Chosen are afraid to channel anywhere the DO's cave, and the DO is super-powerful. So any effort to repeat the sealing wouldn't be allowed.


To answer this point. First of all, we know that unlike the other forsaken, Moridin truly wants the creation to end. So he could indeed be trusted with the sealing. He would not want the DO imprisoned since that would only delay the end. Not to mention that he is so addicted to TP that I think at this point he could not defy the DO even IF he wanted to.

However I will grant you the possibility that maybe the DO does not know this, or is so paranoid that he is not willing to take even the tiniest of risk? Fine, I will accept this.

However, it seems to me that there would be ways for the DO to make sure that no betrayal is possible? I mean he could simply have Shaidar Haran stand next to Moridin and kill Moridin the moment it looked like Moridin was actually planning on sealing the DO for good. Or maybe he could find an oath rod and have Moridin swear an oath to only taint saidin and NOT seal the DO away, or to undo the sealing right afterwards. Or other forms of mental control that would appease the DO's paranoia.

And this is assuming that it is even necessary to go through with the sealing. It is possible and even likely that a way could be developed to touch the DO with saidin without needing to bother with sealing. I mean like I said in a previous message, Moridin can spend as much time as he wants experimenting at SG, touching the DO with saidin in several different ways until he figures out the correct method that allows the DO to taint saidin again.


2 - I don't know that the DO can see weaves; so many arguments for or against... Still, I'd say it's impossible for the DO to show Moridin the necessary weaves in the same way that Asmo taught Rand. Shaidar Haran may only be a TP user. Also, SH seems to be more for observation and commands than actual action...


Well, like I said, even if this is the case there are other ways. The forsaken where there when LTT did the sealing so they probably saw some/most of what LTT did, and the spies/traitors amongst the AS would likely have given them intelligence on LTT's plan. Heck, maybe that is why the DO was able to taint saidin, because he already knew what LTT was planning and was preparing the counterstrike in advance.

And as I said above, if LTT figured it out from nothing, then surely Moridin can too, especially since he actually has the DO/Shaidar Haran helping and advicing him and since he can actually perform experiments and studies at SG itself which is something LTT obviously could not have done.


3 - LTT went to SG with 113 AS. Moridin hasn't had access to such a pool of male channelers until recently. But The Dragon's original idea was to use 7 females and 6 males. The dueling secret plans among the AS - the male and female strategies - conflicted, and LTT's ideological opponent got all the strongest women to boycott the Sealing. That alone required him to make a plan B.

Morry still may not have access to a pool of channelers as skilled or strong as the blokes that LTT had access to.


I know this yes. I wonder if the male AS actually had any part in the actual sealing? I mean they could not have linked with LTT, and they were said to be young channelers so I wonder if they would have had the necessary experience to take part in somekind of male-combined sealing? Maybe, but I cannot help but wonder if maybe LTT did the sealing alone, while the others protected him.

But even if this is not the case, and Moridin requires male channelers, there are ways he can get them. As you pointed out he does have darkfriend male channelers at his disposal now. And he could likely get more through the use of compulsion or by forced conversion via 13 myrddraal. Basically this would be a difficulty yes, but one that Moridin could overcome.

And as I mentioned above, the strike says that the members of the hundred companions were young AS so it seems likely that no extreme channeling skill is required for them to fullfill their part.

It also just occurred to me that RJ said that LTT's original plan would have tainted both saidin and saidar. And as you just reminded me, that plan only required 6 men and 7 women. Moridin could easily get that many channelers together, and since that kind of sealing would happen in a circle (which he would be leading) the skill of the others in the circle would be irrelevant so long as they just had the strength with only the skill of Moridin having any relevance.



Morry probably doesn't have the time to train them to do it, either; he still has to prepare for TG and such. [When the battle erupts, I can't imagine Morry's main move is waiting for Rand to break the remaining Seals - Morry is the true opposite to Rand, as avatars (sorry) for the DO and Creator, so he'll want to be in the fight.]


I figure Shaidar Haran might be a more potential avatar-candidate for the DO rather than Moridin, especially since Min's vision suggests that Moridin&Rand will merge soon and one of them will perish. Though thats really an entirely different discussion and not relevant to the taint.


Also, even the DO know LTT's weaves for the 6 men, 7 women plan...
Turning to Saidar, and why he hasn't tried this already... I dunno, honestly. I'd say that they would probably need different weaves to do it - and no one would know those. Lanfear might've been able to figure it out. Still, looking back at the DO's lack of trust, he wouldn't want them to try...
It is a valid question, but it seems unlikely given all the points above.


Well as I said, even IF Moridin has no idea about how LTT went about it (which is unlikely) he could just figure it out from scratch with the DO's help and by experimentation. You mentioned that Lanfear might have been able to figure it out which is a good point since she was a researcher that made the bore in the first place.

What you are forgetting however is that Lanfear is still ALIVE! She was reincarnated by the DO as Cyndane, and has all the knowledge Lanfear had. She is also mindtrapped to Moridin which means it is impossible for her to defy him in any way. If Moridin wanted her assistance in figuring out how to connect the OP to the DO in order to recreate the taint, she would have to help.

As for why he has not tried this already, I think I mentioned in a previous message a theory that this might be because the seals that LTT put place are multidirectional, that is to say the DO cannot touch the world, and the world(OP channeler) cannot touch the DO. So basically Moridin cannot create a new connection between the DO and OP until the final 3 seals are out of the way.

However once the final 3 seals break/are broken, Moridin might be then free to get to work and potentially taint both saidin&saidar soon afterwards.

I should mention that while I find this idea quite interesting, I do not think for a moment that it is actually going to happen from a more literary standpoint. The taint is the past, and it would be repetitive to have it happen again. I think there will be other attacks/threats by the shadow, but not another taint.

But thinking logically, it should be possible to do this, if the shadow was truly smart (which I should say we fully know it is not).
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