Can it really be any clearer than that?
You have no argument when you have to actually rely on the actual quotes in the books. You continue to miss the context some of these statements are made in as well ... note that Moiraine is defending her political position to Siuan when she makes this statement ...
tGH
Summoned
"Elaida insisted, Daughter, and queen or not, I doubt Morgase is a match for Elaida in a contest of wills. In any case, perhaps this time she did not wish to be. Elayne has potential. More than I have ever seen before. Already she shows progress. The Red sisters are swollen up like puff-fish with it. I don't think the girl leans to their way of thinking, but she is, young, and there is no telling. Even if they don't manage to bend her, it will make little difference. Elayne could well be the most powerful Aes Sedai in a thousand years, and it is the Red Ajah who found her. They have gained much status in the Hall from the girl."
"I have two young women with me in Fal Dara, Mother," Moiraine said. "Both from the Two Rivers, where the blood of Manetheren still runs strong, though they do not even remember there was once a land called Manetheren. The old blood sings, Mother, and it sings loudly in the Two Rivers. Egwene, a village girl, is at least as strong as Elayne. I have seen the Daughter-Heir, and I know. As for the other, Nynaeve was the Wisdom in their village, yet she is little more than a girl herself. It says something of her that the women of her village chose her Wisdom at her age. Once she gains conscious control of what she now does without knowing, she will be as strong as any in Tar Valon. With training, she will shine like a bonfire beside the candles of Elayne and Egwene. And there is no chance these two will choose the Red. They are amused by men, exasperated by them, but they do like them. They will easily counter whatever influence the Red Ajah gains in the White Tower from finding Elayne."
And let's face it Moiraine, especially early on isn't all that reliable... here are a few gems from her that are totally off base too...
EoTW
Listen to the Wind
"The whole world will be overrun in five if we do not find those boys," Moiraine said simply. "The question worries me, also, but I have no answers. The Ways are closed, and there has not been an Aes Sedai powerful enough to Travel since the Time of Madness. Unless one of the Forsaken is loose – the Light send it is not so, yet or ever – there is still no one who can. In any case, I do not think all the Forsaken together could move a thousand Trollocs.
Look at that now all the Forsaken combined could not move 1000 Trollocs ... nor are any AS strong enough to Travel!
EoTW
Remembrance of Dreams
“There has not been a Dreamwalker in Tar Valon for nearly a thousand years, but I could have tried.”
less than half of that actually.
The list of bad information or Moiraine's underestimating abilities goes on and on... falling back on an ambiguous quote from a "witness" who has been wrong on multiple occasions is laughable.
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
This message last edited by darius_sedai on 04/06/2010 at 02:25:28 PM
Interesting clues to OP Strength difference between Nynaeve and Elayne/Egwene/Aviendha
- 31/05/2010 02:17:06 PM
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Re: Interesting clues to OP Strength difference between Nynaeve and Elayne/Egwene/Aviendha
- 31/05/2010 04:18:08 PM
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I don't know. Elayne knows how strong a woman needs to be in order to activate the Bowl.
- 31/05/2010 07:51:08 PM
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Egwene plus Aviendha roughly equal Lanfaer. And yet Lanfear isn't close to double Nynaeve's strength
- 31/05/2010 09:07:06 PM
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Egwene and Aviendha combined in TFoH (when Avi had been channeling for only a few months)
- 31/05/2010 09:22:17 PM
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We've done this so many times. Even I have lost the strength for it. What can I still muster...
- 31/05/2010 09:38:24 PM
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again with the interpretive quoting
- 31/05/2010 11:05:58 PM
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Individual interpretation is all we've got really
- 01/06/2010 06:32:05 PM
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- 01/06/2010 06:32:05 PM
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agreed, sort of
- 04/06/2010 12:57:00 PM
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- 04/06/2010 12:57:00 PM
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Consider this...
- 04/06/2010 01:21:43 PM
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You continue to translate things. That is NOT how the quote reads
- 04/06/2010 01:30:43 PM
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Not my fault if the books prove you wrong
- 04/06/2010 01:41:00 PM
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I'm denying that you have a clue
- 04/06/2010 01:51:14 PM
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Bonfire next to a candle. I rest my case.
- 04/06/2010 01:53:59 PM
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then Nynaeve is the Creator
- 04/06/2010 02:03:27 PM
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Estimating potential is exact, fragmentary historical notes are not. And RJ disproves your point..
- 04/06/2010 02:57:32 PM
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The books disagree with this
- 04/06/2010 03:24:46 PM
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Right, NOW we're getting somewhere...
- 04/06/2010 03:57:32 PM
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You are hilarious
- 04/06/2010 04:06:37 PM
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Close the door on your way out...
- 04/06/2010 04:21:11 PM
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no I just refuse to bother with a jackass who doesn't know the text well enough to debate *NM*
- 04/06/2010 10:35:09 PM
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Re: agreed, sort of
- 04/06/2010 04:46:59 PM
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- 04/06/2010 04:46:59 PM
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this doesn't square in any way with Bell Curve though
- 04/06/2010 10:33:04 PM
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No, Rand was not stronger than the male Forsaken at the start of tSR...
- 01/06/2010 09:27:47 AM
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Aginor burned out attempting to use the Eye, which Rand managed to do without burning out *NM*
- 01/06/2010 12:06:01 PM
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The Eye was just a source of the Power - like a well, just bigger.
- 01/06/2010 12:17:29 PM
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nope
- 01/06/2010 12:52:46 PM
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Re: I don't know. Elayne knows how strong a woman needs to be in order to activate the Bowl.
- 01/06/2010 02:18:38 AM
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I'm not trying to say that Nynaeve isn't significantly stronger
- 01/06/2010 12:44:20 PM
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If 3 sisters can hold you, it probaly means you are as strong as 4 sisters...
- 01/06/2010 06:37:01 PM
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Re: I'm not trying to say that Nynaeve isn't significantly stronger
- 01/06/2010 06:43:08 PM
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Sidenote: What's with Elayne dumping people into the river?
- 31/05/2010 06:22:26 PM
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Not Elayne, Egwene in Cairhien. She went to meet the Windfinder and got kicked out. Wasn't awesome *NM*
- 31/05/2010 07:13:25 PM
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Re: Interesting clues to OP Strength difference between Nynaeve and Elayne/Egwene/Aviendha
- 31/05/2010 07:21:32 PM
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Re: Interesting clues to OP Strength difference between Nynaeve and Elayne/Egwene/Aviendha
- 31/05/2010 07:41:02 PM
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Re: Interesting clues to OP Strength difference between Nynaeve and Elayne/Egwene/Aviendha
- 01/06/2010 06:07:35 PM
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Re: Interesting clues to OP Strength difference between Nynaeve and Elayne/Egwene/Aviendha
- 01/06/2010 06:21:29 PM
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Remember gatways
- 31/05/2010 09:15:31 PM
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I agree that it's probably some kind of max height you can lift an object
- 31/05/2010 09:25:25 PM
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I think lifting people on flows of air is much like weaving bridges.
- 01/06/2010 07:42:59 AM
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I'm pretty convinced that 'strength' really refers to your skill and experience.
- 01/06/2010 08:35:16 PM
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Strength is a touchy word in this case...
- 03/06/2010 07:31:19 AM
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